What now the Labour Party?

ACAB

LE
Has he gone yet?
No.

And he won't. Nasty Commie scumbag thinking 'I haven't come this far to be done down by some Capitalistic bellend'. He's in for the foreseeable future.

Mark my words.
 

ACAB

LE
I doubt that answer will come from the Party itself, they're too up their own arses to even think to find out, much too keen to lay the blame on 'stupid' voters. The media's political commentators don't seem interested in digging deep either.
Exactly.
 

Tyk

LE
Allegedly. An 80 seat majority can't do anything about that?
Nope, the PFI contracts are pretty clear about exit terms, having seen a few (depending on how savvy the Civil Servant in charge was) some of the PFI contracts are pretty daft, as in it would be MUCH MORE expensive to exit than to carry on paying to full term. PFI contracts were done with private funding with guaranteed minimum returns on investment, they're pretty complex contracts as a whole, but all the ones I've seen had deliberately nasty exit conditions. One I had to get very familiar with was actually very well written for the Department concerned, but having worked with the bloke responsible for negotiating it I can see why, clever bugger he was.
Many of the PFI's were basically accountancy fiddles to make it look like the Government were paying less in capital expenditure.
 
Nope, the PFI contracts are pretty clear about exit terms, having seen a few (depending on how savvy the Civil Servant in charge was) some of the PFI contracts are pretty daft, as in it would be MUCH MORE expensive to exit than to carry on paying to full term. PFI contracts were done with private funding with guaranteed minimum returns on investment, they're pretty complex contracts as a whole, but all the ones I've seen had deliberately nasty exit conditions. One I had to get very familiar with was actually very well written for the Department concerned, but having worked with the bloke responsible for negotiating it I can see why, clever bugger he was.
Many of the PFI's were basically accountancy fiddles to make it look like the Government were paying less in capital expenditure.
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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No.

And he won't. Nasty Commie scumbag thinking 'I haven't come this far to be done down by some Capitalistic bellend'. He's in for the foreseeable future.

Mark my words.
You're taking Corbyn for granted. It'll be a long time before Labour sees another principled and charismatic leader like him again. Can the working class rally around any of the current contenders the way they cleaved to Corbyn's socialist bosom? I doubt it.
 

Tyk

LE
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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That would be called defaulting and the courts would take a VERY dim view of it.
PFI contracts aren't some financial product that can be mis-sold, they're initiated by the Government Department involved, written with rather a lot of clauses (by the department) and depending on the thing being PFI'd all sorts of performance indexes. There were also complicated and rigorous tendering processes involved. To be literal (and a bit simplistic) the buyers were actually the private finance suppliers and the Government the vendors so any mis-selling is completely the wrong way round for your analogy, PPI and PFI have no similarities at all apart from two of the same letters, I assume you've no actual grasp of the concept of what the PFI approach actually meant.

PFI was a way to get Government capital spending off the capital account and pay for big stuff over an extended period, as it happens in quite a few PFI cases the contracts were a bit on the wanky side, but it was the Ministers that wanted it done that way.
Oh and PFI's almost exclusively date from the Blair and Brown Governments so blame them for the costs as it was their bright idea of a way to make the budgets look prettier, another case of spend now and let the future pay for our glory which is a familiar part of the Labour MO. Oh and new PFI's were effectively no longer permitted once Call me Dave got in office with the exception of those too far along to drop without repercussions.

Or to put it bluntly you're talking out of your arse with the shite you've posted.
 

Bogie_Bear

War Hero
There seems to be a bt of form for non-entities coming out in these elections, anonymous back-benchers as "stalking horses". Might be nice to see Dan Jarvis tip his hat in - a man with service behind him and a more than credible working pedigree. My MiL (ex Tory mayor) was incredibly surprised to see he was Labour, you'd think Tory with his background, so doubtlessly an easy shift to the tolerant middle ground that Labour needs to target. I bet he needs to bite his tongue at the Labour Xmas party.
 
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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That’s economics from the McDonnell playbook of stupidity.

@Tyk’s is absolutely right about the complexity of PFIs. But you obviously need a simpler explanation.

PFIs are / were effectively a method of providing for the lease-purchase of big, complex and often high risk projects. Essentially Government pays a monthly service charge covering the cost of capital, the infrastructure, equipment etc and its operating costs. Ownership of the asset may or may not transfer to the government at the end of the period or there may be a final payment akin to a balloon; that depends on the asset and the contract.

So think of a PFI as a car on a fully serviced PCP. Default on the payment, what happens? Default on the maintenance or mileage limits what happens? Don’t pay the balloon, what happens? Want to borrow money again after you default, what happens?

The fundamental problem with PFI was that organisations failed to budget. Lefty, financially incompetent client organisations behaved like dole bludgers in a tv rental shop and spent their pay check on shiny
stuff before considering the cost.
 
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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And then the Govt would get sued and have to pay all the fees due to the PFI company plus all the (significant) costs involved.....

Feom a long list of contenders this is one of your more cretinous posts.

Quoting AAV? Really??
 
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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Never too early to hit the turps.

Never to late to educate yourself.
 
.......... What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? .......
Plenty of written wrongs in the Labour manifesto. That’s why they were unelectable.
 
Send In The Clowns?

Ed Miliband to join review of Labour poll failure

Labour Together, which describes itself as a network of activists from all traditions, is setting up a commission to "map out a route back to power".

It says the panel will view attempts to pin the blame on a single cause, such as Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, as simplistic and wrong.
 
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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It's such a shame that the site doesn't allow me to laugh at you and provide you with a 'Dumb' at the same time.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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It's such a shame that the site doesn't allow me to laugh at you and provide you with a 'Dumb' at the same time.
Allow me!
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
And the rot begins!
 
I am not suggesting paying the penalty to exit, but simply stopping the contract immediately and cease any payments on it.

In the 90s and 00s practically every financial product was mis-sold. PPI is no different from PFI other than the victim is the UK taxpayer, not an individual who took out a loan to buy a car.

What is the point of political power if you can't write a wrong? If the Tories want to show they are committed to the NHS, this one act alone could surely turn that old lie about £350m on the side of a bus into a reality.
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Quoting from an XLW blog known to print lies, that's ironic
 
And the rot begins!
SLIGHT THREAD DRIFT - APOLOGIES

Well, Guido Fawkes can f**k right off.

Laura is perfect in every way, and has been blamelessly caught up in a torrent of lefty mentalism that'll take years of TLC, foot worship, cuddles, hugs, long rose-petal strewn baths, champagne and rough an@l sex to rehabilitate.

She's more than welcome to come and stay at my pad, she can sit on my face sofa, sofa - I meant SOFA - and we can strictly and formally discuss the error of her ways whilst she coyly asks if there is anything, anything at all, she can do to atone for her sins..............

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