What now the Labour Party?

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Let's vote for another ultra left candidate.
That might be worth the £3 membership. No party is really good if they don't have a good opposition plus a period in opposition does much for their humility. A Blairite Labour Party of moderate but socialist leanings would be good for the country and may help dispel a lot of the bitterness floating around politics at the moment!
 
A Blairite Labour Party of moderate but socialist leanings would be good for the country
Yeah we could really do with another war right now. I'm available if anyone wants a dodgy dossier.
 
You will notice that I said it has finally dawned on him that the electorate don't agree with him, not that he doesn't still believe it himself. You are correct in saying that it is his ideology and his belief system, which is why it is even more crushing when he realises it's not everybody elses.
But (in the minds of his ilk) it was because of the second Brexit referendum that they lost the working class, not because of their policies.
 
Actually pour me a couple of drinks.

Something as strong as what Jez was on when he wrote this for the Guardian.


Despite our best efforts, and our attempts to make clear this would be a turning point for the whole direction of our country, the election became mainly about Brexit.
No, you're a terrorist loving anti-semite. You're incompetent, your mates are incompetent, and your campaign an echo-chamber.

I am proud that on austerity, on corporate power, on inequality and on the climate emergency we have won the arguments and rewritten the terms of political debate. But I regret that we did not succeed in converting that into a parliamentary majority for change.
To rewrite that, using analogy.

I am proud that Gillian Anderson wants to be eaten out.

I regret she doesn't know me, will never meet me, or sit on my face.
He's genuinely lost his mind. Everyone agrees with me, but not enough to vote me to anywhere near any power to deliver anything.

Obviously the UK got it wrong, and maybe one day they'll realise their mistake. Eh, Jez.

Anyway, I assume Racist Magic Grandpa has a lovely pension? Not a bad reward for a life of failure, culminating in destroying Labour for at least ten years.

Jez, there's what you did. You cannot even blame the FBI*, you burnt that all down on your own!




*who am I kidding, of course you can blame the deep state for this. There's always someone else to blame.
 
You will notice that I said it has finally dawned on him that the electorate don't agree with him, not that he doesn't still believe it himself. You are correct in saying that it is his ideology and his belief system, which is why it is even more crushing when he realises it's not everybody elses.
And long may he remain crushed and sobbing: I have no doubt he has gone through life thinking of himself as a true revolutionary, full of ideological zeal only to realise far too late that he's f*cked up his entire life.

I truly, truly hope it hurts John, you wretched traitor.

If I saw him dossing on a park bench I wouldn't know whether to piss on him or just laugh loudly.

However, if the bench was near a kids playground, I'd happily tell the attendant mums to keep their eyes open as that bloke on the bench is a paedo just out of the nick.
 
I would say that you are partly correct, but not on the policies part - that is ideological and cannot be denied as it is his fundamental belief system.
I rather suspect that what has broken him is that he was one of the proponents of the idea of Labour going along with a second EU referendum instead of just accepting the result of the first (as Milne and much of the Communist core ideologists argued for).
Corbynite Labour are actually a “Leave” Party - they have to be in order to achieve their extreme Communist policy aims. But they were shit-scared of losing the metropolitan cosmopolitan fellow-traveller vote (and all those London seats - Abbott was a vociferous proponent of the second referendum argument).
McDonnell probably convincingly argued that the northern working class would remain solid no matter what.
And we all know how that went.
"out of touch and out to lunch"
 

CaptainCowpat

Old-Salt
I know that the phrase "Just spat out my coffee watching this" is overplayed so much nowadays, but I genuinely spat out my tea watching this.

*May have been an explosive laugh which ended up with tea on my glasses and dribbling down my chin and me nearly snuffing it*

 

Tyk

LE
That was an excellent film - probably being used as a Training Film by Momentum this weekend.
I watched it after seeing it mentioned on ARRSE, agreed it's damn good. Excellent warning too for anyone thinking that left wing "politics" is a great idea.
Power corrupts, no matter what principles people claim to have.
 
Actually pour me a couple of drinks.

Something as strong as what Jez was on when he wrote this for the Guardian.




No, you're a terrorist loving anti-semite. You're incompetent, your mates are incompetent, and your campaign an echo-chamber.



To rewrite that, using analogy.



He's genuinely lost his mind. Everyone agrees with me, but not enough to vote me to anywhere near any power to deliver anything.

Obviously the UK got it wrong, and maybe one day they'll realise their mistake. Eh, Jez.

Anyway, I assume Racist Magic Grandpa has a lovely pension? Not a bad reward for a life of failure, culminating in destroying Labour for at least ten years.

Jez, there's what you did. You cannot even blame the FBI*, you burnt that all down on your own!




*who am I kidding, of course you can blame the deep state for this. There's always someone else to blame.
he’s worth about £3 million (inherited wealth) and has a £2 million pension pot.
not bad for a life long professional activist and non worker.
 
Whilst it's a thing of joy watching smug metropolitan trots struggling to come to terms with how despised they are by the very people they aspire to represent, it's becoming increasingly uncomfortable to realise that the alternative to the Tories is a Labour Party that's not fit for purpose and which, because of the make up of its rank and file, really has no obvious way of breaking free from the extreme left, particularly not after four years of entryism.

If the moderates can't regain control, and I doubt they can, we need an alternative, pronto.
The only alternative is the illiberal undemocratic party
 
The only alternative is the illiberal undemocratic party
Wait and see..

Will the Reform Party help fill the vacuum?
Will the revised SDP see a surge in former Labour moderates?
Both of those should be forging ahead now to gather interest and build their memberships.

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Brexit Party site still up. Not rebranded yet. How will they proceed?
Boris Brexit Deal
 
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Whining Civvy

Old-Salt
That might be worth the £3 membership. No party is really good if they don't have a good opposition plus a period in opposition does much for their humility. A Blairite Labour Party of moderate but socialist leanings would be good for the country and may help dispel a lot of the bitterness floating around politics at the moment!
I'd say that any Party which contains a critical mass of left-leaning wealthy progressives is doomed to fail at this point, and that's what the moderate Labour Party would attract. They're a liability.
 
he’s worth about £3 million (inherited wealth) and has a £2 million pension pot.
not bad for a life long professional activist and non worker.
How very glad he must be that "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" has failed.
 
I just wanted to check, do you understand the nature of what Labour did to the NHS? The poorly thought out and delivered PFI/PPP deals that in many cases have an initial terms of 35 years cost billions and are often subject to huge uplifts!!!!

YM
That wasn't real Labour

They were red tories etc
 

NI-EX-MEDIC

War Hero
Actually pour me a couple of drinks.

Something as strong as what Jez was on when he wrote this for the Guardian.




No, you're a terrorist loving anti-semite. You're incompetent, your mates are incompetent, and your campaign an echo-chamber.



To rewrite that, using analogy.



He's genuinely lost his mind. Everyone agrees with me, but not enough to vote me to anywhere near any power to deliver anything.

Obviously the UK got it wrong, and maybe one day they'll realise their mistake. Eh, Jez.

Anyway, I assume Racist Magic Grandpa has a lovely pension? Not a bad reward for a life of failure, culminating in destroying Labour for at least ten years.

Jez, there's what you did. You cannot even blame the FBI*, you burnt that all down on your own!




*who am I kidding, of course you can blame the deep state for this. There's always someone else to blame.
 

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