What now the Labour Party?

Grownup_Rafbrat

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Red Dawn and Balls, let alone Brown who didn’t care if their Customs staff didn’t qualify for full OAP.
The same Brown that forced PFI onto schools and hospitals, costing 'our NHS' and the education system billions annually and making massive profits for 'the rich" (private equity investors)? Socialist to the core!!
 
Good to have a name.

That is indeed legislation that seems to benefit no-one but Treasury and the big (and therefore untouchable) consultancies.

And why do you think HMRC are keen, staff often move onto the big consultancies as tax advisors

It worked for me, can't be arsed working around the UK, to have to deal with IR35, and getting less expenses than a permanent employee would get

Lifes too short, so I pay less tax to the treasury now, another win for HMRC
 
You lost me. Who did you work for, and who is now your employer?

Used to be doing contract work all round the uk, so decent income, plenty of tax hitting the treasury

Now just PAYE as an IT manager and sometime code monkey

What I meant is that I've got a better lifestyle now, not drinking out of boredom living out of hotels and the loser has been HMRC as they get less tax receipts off me
 
The same Brown that forced PFI onto schools and hospitals, costing 'our NHS' and the education system billions annually and making massive profits for 'the rich" (private equity investors)? Socialist to the core!!
The very same as it was the cheapest option for the treasury to force the NHS to accept commercial prices And shoddier results as the eye has recalled.
 
Seppuku would be a more attractive and honourable career choice.
How very unchristian, but then there was a lot of history between the two areas. The running joke was that the Gentlemen of the Revenue were only so because they allowed deals to be done in lieu of tax. We on the other hand we’re because we were officers. I think towards the end it was established that the revenue did
60% to our 40% despite much more manpower. The other Joke was that VAT wound up with us as the Revenue were not geared for it….with their staffing levels.
 
Used to be doing contract work all round the uk, so decent income, plenty of tax hitting the treasury

Now just PAYE as an IT manager and sometime code monkey

What I meant is that I've got a better lifestyle now, not drinking out of boredom living out of hotels and the loser has been HMRC as they get less tax receipts off me
Pretty much the same situation here. The winners though are the consultancies who've hoovered up much of the work previously done by us contractors. Not that said consultancies have influenced the government's hand at all
 
Pretty much the same situation here. The winners though are the consultancies who've hoovered up much of the work previously done by us contractors. Not that said consultancies have influenced the government's hand at all
It was funny how contractors had all their justifiable expenses removed, but big name consultancies just carry on.
 
It was funny how contractors had all their justifiable expenses removed, but big name consultancies just carry on.

And it those same big name consultancies that manage to FUBAR projects they're involved with

Government literally rewards failure
 

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Because every civil servant taken on is a long term liability in that they also have pension rights, but also if they have to recruit, train and station new staff they will have to sink money into HR, training time and above all, new estate. Big, complicated buildings full of new computers, that they will have to ask the Treasury for money for.
Some ex civil servants including local government officials that I encounter are aged about 52 and retired, I.m still at the 'coalface' and somewhat older! Though its a matter of choice on my part.
 
Some ex civil servants including local government officials that I encounter are aged about 52 and retired, I.m still at the 'coalface' and somewhat older! Though its a matter of choice on my part.
Older CS had retirement ages like the Army. A few years back there was a change to the old final salary pension scheme and a lot of managers bolted.
Then came back as consultants.
 
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Even if this is true it should not stop the Gvmt from what it is doing.
Someone will always be hurt by a change in policy, if the change benefits the majority then it is good.
Let's put it this way.
This is not Sir Humphrey saying
"That's a very.... Brave decision Minister." (trans. "Don't be a bloody idiot, Minister)
This is the Civil Service, people who do Government for a living, sending an 16 stone broken nosed bloke to pick the Minister up by the lapels and saying
" DON'T BE A F@#£ING IDIOT. Minister. "

You can't be blunter that that.
These are people who think of consequences for a living.
It is the CS job to help the Government to do what it wants, but not (and this is what Cummings massively failed to grasp) to do so mindlessly.
It is its job to flag up illegality, rampant stupidity, and obvious mistakes, so that the Government can avoid them.
 

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Let's put it this way.
This is not Sir Humphrey saying
"That's a very.... Brave decision Minister." (trans. "Don't be a bloody idiot, Minister)
This is the Civil Service, people who do Government for a living, sending an 16 stone broken nosed bloke to pick the Minister up by the lapels and saying
" DON'T BE A F@#£ING IDIOT. Minister. "

You can't be blunter that that.
These are people who think of consequences for a living.
It is the CS job to help the Government to do what it wants, but not (and this is what Cummings massively failed to grasp) to do so mindlessly.
It is its job to flag up illegality, rampant stupidity, and obvious mistakes, so that the Government can avoid them.
More like politically motivated Civil Servants being directed by their (Soviet) Unions to oppose what the Government is doing, whatever the Government is doing.
 
Let's put it this way.
This is not Sir Humphrey saying
"That's a very.... Brave decision Minister." (trans. "Don't be a bloody idiot, Minister)
This is the Civil Service, people who do Government for a living, sending an 16 stone broken nosed bloke to pick the Minister up by the lapels and saying
" DON'T BE A F@#£ING IDIOT. Minister. "

You can't be blunter that that.
These are people who think of consequences for a living.
It is the CS job to help the Government to do what it wants, but not (and this is what Cummings massively failed to grasp) to do so mindlessly.
It is its job to flag up illegality, rampant stupidity, and obvious mistakes, so that the Government can avoid them.

Tell me, where is this brave, single-minded CS of which you speak?


Narnia?
 
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