What now for western society?

Being in my mid-30's - not many of my acquaintances / friends use it too much any more now either.

The ones of my friends who do, are mainly self-avowed socialists / communists, or fairly far to the right of the spectrum. The (majority) of people whose political opinions seem to range from 'a bit tory' to 'a bit labour' via 'don't really care; they're all bellends' don't use it much.

I mainly go on to facebook now to poke people spouting anti-vaccination or pseudoscientific nonsense.

I hope Facebook withers & dies - great idea; good execution; not great side effects.

Also every third post in your feed now is an advert.

The surest way to kill a platform is to make it so ridiculously commercial.
 
I see the current bout of wokism as, essentially, a religion.

They have their prophets (e.g. Marx), their holy texts (e.g. Critical Race theory), their articles of faith (e.g. white privilege, unconscious bias), their firebrand preachers (too many to list), their martyrs (e.g. Megan...), their evangelicals to spread the word (e.g. trendy lecturers), their sects (e.g. BLM, the Alphabet People), their Spanish Inquisition (e.g. hate crimes, social media pile-ons), a need to destroy the values (e.g. free speech, innocent until proven guilty, plurality, accountability) and lives of unbelievers (e.g. J K Rowling publishers), a need to demonise and silence the “other” (e.g. anyone who dares to think differently) and, when that doesn’t work, a desire to (figuratively) burn the heretics.

Luckily, in this country, we tend to be cynical when it comes to religions and I feel we’ve already started to question these nutters. Additionally, each generation tends to rebel against the previous generation, which means there is a chance wokism will be old fashioned and boring in 20 years from now.
 

Sana

Old-Salt
I see the current bout of wokism as, essentially, a religion.

They have their prophets (e.g. Marx), their holy texts (e.g. Critical Race theory), their articles of faith (e.g. white privilege, unconscious bias), their firebrand preachers (too many to list), their martyrs (e.g. Megan...), their evangelicals to spread the word (e.g. trendy lecturers), their sects (e.g. BLM, the Alphabet People), their Spanish Inquisition (e.g. hate crimes, social media pile-ons), a need to destroy the values (e.g. free speech, innocent until proven guilty, plurality, accountability) and lives of unbelievers (e.g. J K Rowling publishers), a need to demonise and silence the “other” (e.g. anyone who dares to think differently) and, when that doesn’t work, a desire to (figuratively) burn the heretics.

Luckily, in this country, we tend to be cynical when it comes to religions and I feel we’ve already started to question these nutters. Additionally, each generation tends to rebel against the previous generation, which means there is a chance wokism will be old fashioned and boring in 20 years from now.

Perfectly explained.

The West in general is the best at reinventing itself. So I believe this is just a phase that will die out soon enough.
 
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There's a great line in the Tracey Ullman sketch about the Woke Support Group where she says something akin to "as you get older you become more Conservative anyway".

Thanks for reminding me of that truly excellent sketch. She says “by the time you hit your 30s most of you are going to be massively right wing anyway” And the look one of them gives her is priceless.

The punchline is fantastic as well. Well worth a watch.

 
Two cliches are appropriate when it comes to the new 'woke' orthodoxy: "there is nothing more dangerous than a little bit of knowledge" and "there is nothing new under the sun".

In Tito's Yugoslavia, the main plank of Communist social policy was "Brotherhood and Unity"; implemented with the very best of intentions and intented to unite a fractured society. Measures were introduced in the 1950s that, if they weren't so self-absorbed, "diversity professionals" of today would recognise as very similar to their own. For example, to insult someone on the basis of their ethnicity was punishable by a day in jail. To insult someone's mother's nationality (in the traditional Balkan style), by three days inside. Children were taught from an early age to think of themselves as Yugoslavs, rather than Serbs, or Croats, or whatever, and to identify with the peoples of the developing world rather than with either of the main power blocs.

I obviously don't need to point out how that all ended up in the '90s.

If you keep the lid of the pressure cooker screwed on too tight, the hate doesn't boil dry - it eventually explodes.
 

colinmc400

Old-Salt
I have had a couple of near misses at work, with being put in situations were saying no would likely have caused an extremely woke'ist over reaction. I spoke to my boss on the quiet about both scenarios and he just rolled his eyes in a "i know, but i am not going to say anything" kind of way. My opinion is that neither thing was a work related topic and should not have been brought in to the workplace. But as both were loosely around inclusion and diversity, the individual was allowed to get away with it, as it suits the current mainstream type agenda and reputation on these things seems second only to the share price in the corporate world.

As a note they were on LGBTI(or whatever the **** those boxing out of the wrong corner like to be called) and Aboriginal issues(i live in Aus). My only defence was to make a blatant run for the door when they came my way and not get into the conversation.
 

Alamo

LE
If you know the rules and apply them in a consistent, compliant manner then you’re on solid ground. It’s easy for folk to throw rights-related arguments about, when usually they don’t have the first clue about the actual law. That puts whiners in a position of strength, as bosses will often back off because they are unsure of their position.
I saw my US boss do it to excellent effect. He applied the black and white rules without fear or favouritism; no-one ever got round him.
 
Hopefully the incessant ranting, no-platforming and closing down of a different opinion will become unfashionable. The SWJ's were first heard, now they're ridiculed. The minority fringe groups (BLM) etc. will be questioned over their clout. At the moment it's still new, but the majority realise they're a bunch of cünts, it's just that the MSM haven't really caught on yet, or don'tr want to.

Like discussing immigration during Labour's reign, it took a Coalition Government, and people who weren't going to be shouted down as racists to challenge the mindset. It took the best part of a decade, but we got there in the end. It's lapsed now on the back of the BLM cocks , but we'll get back in there again, it just takes people to say No, and challenge the hysteria. Currently everyone's backing down, which is giving the cünts more and more confidence to extend their cüntery.

Be strong, don't accept it, persevere!
Let’s just hope that during this latest nonsense, there aren’t hundreds or even thousands of innocent victims, sacrificed on the altar of ultra political correctness, like there were during the last woke orthodoxy heralded by a certain political party, the ultimate manifestation of which, was the abject moral cowardice and dereliction of duty by those authorities charged with the welfare and protection of vulnerable young girls in certain British towns and cities.
 
I will disagree.

The whole BLM UK thing. Notice how that rather swiftly dropped off the radar when normal people started taking to the streets. It's almost like someone realised that continuing to push at the same level would have unpredictable, and most like unpleasant consequences for them.
Take for example some of the White Lives Matter things. Note how they were pushed very loudly, but as soon as the spectre of court appeared everything seemed to step back. Consider if you will what court would do to such a case. First option WLM becomes deemed racist, there's now precedent... Which logically follows that BLM is also racist. Suddenly Sasha is now out of a job, and no longer racking in the merchandising funds, and whose going to employ her?
Also notice how after the counter protests, IE the EDL twats, and the normal people demo how everything stopped, and became low level wailing by the media.

I would venture that the people concerned realised that they had pushed hard enough to piss off the majority of the population, and that could very quickly become a loosing battle. Lets take it to Sasha's logical end point, causing a Class war combined with a Race war. The first hurdle is that the whites are much richer (or so she says) and much better armed. Some time ago I worked in a police Firearms Licencing unit, and some of the villages, if there's a serious neighbourhood disagreement could end up looking like Beirut. I don't think people quite realise exactly how many guns are in the countryside, and what's more the owners know how to use them. Anyone on the left who claims to want a class war for that reason is deranged. Tarquin the noodley armed placard waver whose read all of Marx's work arrives outside of Farmer John's farm to demand he surrenders his land to the people's committee. His farm that he's worked a large part of his life for, and he has several shotguns... what do you think is going to happen in that situation?

Equally you cite social media as a problem, is it though? Last I heared only 1/3rd of Britons had a Facebook account. That means 2/3rds don't. What I think you're seeing is the signal/noise ratio problem. With the Media amplifying the social media signal, mistakenly believing it's how the majority think, when in fact there's no way to easily access the majorities views.
Accessing the majority views is no harder now than before. The country voted to leave Europe; how many elections did Magic Grandpa lose; how many votes did the de-fund the BBC poll get?
 
Accessing the majority views is no harder now than before. The country voted to leave Europe; how many elections did Magic Grandpa lose; how many votes did the de-fund the BBC poll get?

Those data points are few and far between, and in the case of elections, open to interpretation (also remember in 2017 it was just ten MPs between disaster...).
My comments were aimed at the media, their only way of access is through social media and it's lefty slant.
 
Those data points are few and far between, and in the case of elections, open to interpretation (also remember in 2017 it was just ten MPs between disaster...).
My comments were aimed at the media, their only way of access is through social media and it's lefty slant.
They may be few and far between, but they matter as that's what the country really thinks. The BBC mistook Twatter feeds as 'citizen journalism' and gave Faceache as much credence as Gallup polls.

Bad mistake to listen to echo chambers: they're far too easy to manipulate.
 
They may be few and far between, but they matter as that's what the country really thinks. The BBC mistook Twatter feeds as 'citizen journalism' and gave Faceache as much credence as Gallup polls.

Bad mistake to listen to echo chambers: they're far too easy to manipulate.

I know. It pisses me off when you look at the BBC website and every article has a mention of Twitter.
 
Genuine question - what is the link between Marxism and wokeness?

I realise you can be both, but why do people think one causes the other?

Never thought of Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong or any of the others as being particularly PC.
 
Genuine question - what is the link between Marxism and wokeness?

I realise you can be both, but why do people think one causes the other?

Never thought of Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong or any of the others as being particularly PC.

Cultural Marxism...

Cultural Marxism as understood by most people refers to a kind of behaviour that looks for power imbalances in everyday culture (like asking a person where they are from, or complementing a black persons hair) and problematizing those interactions, causing people to resent others for innocuous little social misdemeanours.

Cultural Marxism assumes the worst of the actions of a supposedly powerful group by saying that their little faux-pas are really egregious examples of latent prejudice, and excuses the hatred and rudeness of the supposedly weaker group by saying that their behaviour is an expression of resisting power or "asserting their personhood".

Cultural Marxists hunt relentlessly to find things to be offended about, and claim to speak on behalf of all oppressed groups, though most of the time cultural marxists are rich, privileged, upper and middle class white college women with multi-coloured hair.
 

Tyk

LE
It all has overtones of 1984. Except their isn't yet one Monolithic regime controlling it all. As you say, various social media platforms are used by vocal minority to impose their views, and threaten and intimidate anyone who opposes them. They are helped by the abject cowardice of the majority of politicians, press and industry leaders to question them. Even the most extreme, and frankly absurd, pronouncements are beyond criticism for some sections of society.

I would argue you're wrong in the assertion that there isn't a monolithic regime, there very much is and it's fully penetrated the English speaking (and English as a second language) world. It's the so called "Social Media" companies.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and the likes are fully in control of the narrative aided and abetted by the Universities. They are the equivalent to the mobs in Rome that could bring down an Emperor.
It is they that set the narrative to the point where governments cower before them as they, with the remains of the print and broadcast press, control the flow of information and can whip up physical mobs as well as virtual ones. Just look to the likes of Portland and other US cities last year to see the power they exert, not ignoring the deployment of convenient sacrificial pawns like the lifelong criminal Floyd. The trial of the man accused of causing Floyds death will see battalions of outrage busses deployed, no matter how it plays out.

To an extent the actions of Trump using Twitter so extensively have backfired in helping to cement the moronic media culture that now controls so many people's lives. I'm sure we all know people that basically live their lives looking at the little screens in their hands and desperate for nebulous likes, follows, upvotes and fake "friends". The cretins that only get validation of their lives through the likes of Twitter and Facebook are a very dangerous and extremely easy to manipulate mob, they've been trained that those mediums are the ONLY sources that matter.

ETA Just look at the likes of what China do in limiting access to Facebook, they have their own state controlled versions to set their own narratives as they're fully aware of the power to exert control over the plebs.
 
Genuine question - what is the link between Marxism and wokeness?

I realise you can be both, but why do people think one causes the other?

Never thought of Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong or any of the others as being particularly PC.
The tool-box of woke-ness is pure 1984, Maoist and Stalinist 'self-criticism'. The aim is to get the Western liberal democracies to doubt themselves.

It's been said elsewhere that the authoritarian and totalitarian regimes are largely untouched.
 

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