What now for the EU ?

[Tyk]

You agree it is not a dictatorial, federal superpower with an army, then?

It has stated aspirations to be so (the dictatorial is already built in to the Commission).

 

[PhotEx]

It's already got its own private Border Guard and Coastguard. FRONTEX now has directly employed frontline officers.

How very SA of them.

from small beginnings, ruined dreams of enduring Empires grow

 

[ACAB]

A SENIOR Government lawyer in charge of Brexit deals was caught 'upskirting' a woman on the Tube, a disciplinary tribunal heard today.

Boris is due to make a statement shortly claiming that he totally supports him and his actions... "It was completely unintentional and just a bit of jolly, not meant to be offensive". "The matter is ended...although he failed to forward the shots".

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If that is true, which I doubt very much, why should that have any impact on the negotiations???

Cretin!!!

 

[Whey_Aye_Banzai]

It's already got its own private Border Guard and Coastguard. FRONTEX now has directly employed frontline officers.

It's an armed border force; they've spent billions of euros on it.

Freedom of Movement is good from white majority countries; not for the dusky types outside it

 

[Dashing_Chap]

How is the idea of EU nationalism meant to work when there will never be a united language?

Furthermore, what is the EU meant to do with the crackpot countries from former Yugoslavia who refer to black people as monkeys and would happily massacre each other at a moment's notice due to pretty ethnic differences, even though they speak similar languages and have been living in the same area for hundreds of years?

Unless national identity is wiped out and Europe is reborn with a united language and culture then I don't see how it can work. People need their provincial cultures because it forms part of their psychological identity and many are quite prepared to die first than see it perish.

Europe is far too fractured to work, even the attitude towards work ethic and corruption is vastly different between North, South, East and West.

 

[Wigan Pier]

How is the idea of EU nationalism meant to work when there will never be a united language?

Furthermore, what is the EU meant to do with the crackpot countries from former Yugoslavia who refer to black people as monkeys and would happily massacre each other at a moment's notice due to pretty ethnic differences, even though they speak similar languages and have been living in the same area for hundreds of years?

Unless national identity is wiped out and Europe is reborn with a united language and culture then I don't see how it can work. People need their provincial cultures because it forms part of their psychological identity and many are quite prepared to die first than see it perish.

Europe is far too fractured to work, even the attitude towards work ethic and corruption is vastly different between North, South, East and West

The EU fails because nationalism is anathema to its ideals and causes, yet it longs for a continent wide populace that not only accepts it, but will die for it. Do you know anybody who would?

 

[Higgs_bosun]

What are you talking about, man, that sounds like drug-induced nonsense? Is the EU some Bondesque super-villain or the owner of the one ring?

One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them;
In the Land of EUrope where the CAP lies.

That is proper bull excrement, look at the good-for-nothings, drinkers and corrupt people who ran the EU. Look at Chateau de Juncker, or Flinten-Uschi, they can't tell their head from their arrse and surely they can't shape the world economy.
If you were still in the Army you would be by now on charges for being royally smashed.

Don't shoot the messengers...You will discover that the EU is going to be around for a very long time and will continue to grow. There are others who support this view.

Biden’s secretary of state pick compared Brexit to ‘a dog being run over by a car’​

 

[Higgs_bosun]

Never said that, did I? They want to be a superstate and they do everything to get their totalitarian, undemocratic ways.
They are starting to break their own rules by the dozen if the citizens of member states refuse to democratically approve the so-called EU constitution, they simply change it into a treaty, well done chaps, really well done. Last but not least the Commission is building its own paramilitary private police force in the form of EUROGENDFOR.

But I am sure that it can be reformed from the inside, wait and see, time will tell.

Please bear in mind that the EU is actually owned and run by member states and you have just shown an example of democracy at work within.

Is the EUROGENDFOR a baby step towards becoming a Superpower...where on the paranoia scale does that belong? Perhaps they should hire Group 4 and pay billions for them to feck-up like wot we do.?

Jeezus wept!

 

[Higgs_bosun]

How is the idea of EU nationalism meant to work when there will never be a united language?

Furthermore, what is the EU meant to do with the crackpot countries from former Yugoslavia who refer to black people as monkeys and would happily massacre each other at a moment's notice due to pretty ethnic differences, even though they speak similar languages and have been living in the same area for hundreds of years?

Unless national identity is wiped out and Europe is reborn with a united language and culture then I don't see how it can work. People need their provincial cultures because it forms part of their psychological identity and many are quite prepared to die first than see it perish.

Europe is far too fractured to work, even the attitude towards work ethic and corruption is vastly different between North, South, East and West.

I think that you may have justified the existence, reasons and principles of the EU. As stated many times...without the EU we would need to invent it.

 

[BetwixtandBetween]

Is it abed now, do you think?

 

[Krautman]

Please bear in mind that the EU is actually owned and run by member states and you have just shown an example of democracy at work within.

Is the EUROGENDFOR a baby step towards becoming a Superpower...where on the paranoia scale does that belong? Perhaps they should hire Group 4 and pay billions for them to feck-up like wot we do.?

Jeezus wept!

Democracy at work? The electorate of two member states rejects that "constitution" and the "owners" of the EU decide to abbreviate this bothersome way called democracy by simply making it a contract. So this is what democracy at work is supposed to be for you? You have misunderstood something fundamentally. This is the way totalitarian states or state structures behave, but certainly not democracies.
It is the same with EURGENDFOR, a paramilitary police force which is not constrained by treaties or constitutions and which can be deployed everywhere in each Member State at the discretion of the Commission. So this is a "baby step"?
One could say SA and SS were only a baby step for Hitler becoming Reichskanzler.

 

[Krautman]

Don't shoot the messengers...You will discover that the EU is going to be around for a very long time and will continue to grow. There are others who support this view.

Biden’s secretary of state pick compared Brexit to ‘a dog being run over by a car’​

If the "messenger" dribbles delusional nonsense, who on top of that he believes in, then he should be shot.
And I don't give anything on what Biden's secretary believes or compares.

 

[Lance_corp_more_rant]

Oh dear, not looking good for the EU economically.

 

[PhotEx]

How is the idea of EU nationalism meant to work when there will never be a united language?

Furthermore, what is the EU meant to do with the crackpot countries from former Yugoslavia who refer to black people as monkeys and would happily massacre each other at a moment's notice due to pretty ethnic differences, even though they speak similar languages and have been living in the same area for hundreds of years?

Unless national identity is wiped out and Europe is reborn with a united language and culture then I don't see how it can work. People need their provincial cultures because it forms part of their psychological identity and many are quite prepared to die first than see it perish.

Europe is far too fractured to work, even the attitude towards work ethic and corruption is vastly different between North, South, East and West.

Vladimir Bukovsky nailed the fatal flaw at the heart of the EU project 15 years ago

 

[vvaannmmaann]

Oh dear, not looking good for the EU economically.

It's ok, Germany will bail them out.

 

[bobthebuilder]

How is the idea of EU nationalism meant to work when there will never be a united

However hard the French try to prevent it, the EU will eventually default to a universal language; English.

 

[Cutaway]

Is it abed now, do you think?

Chained to it.

 

[Listy]

The UK on it's own have never done well with missiles especially before joining Europe... From Blue Streak to Black Arrow reads like a horror story. Smaller weapons faired no better.

Yes and no. FOIL was several orders of magnitude better than the German weapon of the same time period. However, the Germans lied, twisted and generally being dicks about standardisation because they didn't want to accept the British weapon was superior.
Swingfire is an interesting case in of itself. We realised that Orange William was a nightmare waiting to happen, but the technology behind it was of interest. So we started a development attempt on the the tech. But it proved just a shade out of our grasp at first, so that's why it took so long. Then we got it sorted, and it was bloody good. Then the US appeared, violated an international agreement they had with us, and flooded the market with freebie (or very low cost) TOW missiles.
Also of note, TOW, Swingfire and HOT all started development at the same time. Swingfire was ready first, with TOW slightly later. Then HOT finally turned up some five (or more, depending on exactly which point you want to measure from) years after Swingfire.

Of course none of this has any baring on EU co-operation, as the EU didn't show up until 1990s.

 

[civvy]

However hard the French try to prevent it, the EU will eventually default to a universal language; English.

The new EU project is "Europe Talks", even in French newspapers. Sounds pretty English to me.

 

[Cutaway]

Swingfire is an interesting case in of itself. We realised that Orange William was a nightmare waiting to happen, but the technology behind it was of interest.

Was that made by Shorts ?