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What now for the EU ?

Again, I disagree - we tried reform from within and it failed.

I assume your retreat into tired old Remain tropes is an indication that you’re having trouble finding any killer facts? Rather than moan about your use of a tired old fallacy, I’ll have a bit of fun with it and highlight an interesting paradox.

If 17m voters can be indoctrinated by Facebook, how come Remain didn’t use Facebook to indoctrinate them?
To answer your question... Probably because the remain case was not an outcome that Russian trolls were instructed to engineer.

There was also the matter of integrity. The tools of propaganda and lies do not flourish among honest people. Cameron was the democratically elected leader appointed at the time and he advised against brexit. He was ignored and ridiculed. Now that is what I call a paradox.

Enter a lying opportunist called Boris and his criminal puppet master. A new age of reckless government began.
 
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The tools of propaganda and lies do not flourish among honest people. Cameron was the democratically elected leader appointed at the time and he advised against brexit. He was ignored and ridiculed.

He was ignored and ridiculed because he spent in the region of £9 million of UK taxpayers money and couldn't even come up with a solitary, single, positive reason for staying in the EU.

Perhaps you could help him out ( and every other remainer ) and come up with just 1 positive for staying in the EU.

C'mon, it shouldn't be difficult for those highly educated remainers.
 
Following your claims that the EU refused to fund UK infrastructure you missed things like this:

The government today sets out how the UK’s allocation of European Union (EU) Structural Funds will be divided across England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales for the period 2014 to 2020.

and

The 2007-13, EU Structural Funds are estimated to so far have helped create more than 50,000 jobs in the UK, assisted the start up of more than 20,000 businesses and supported more than 1,300 research and technical development projects.

In reality money from the EU is a short term kickstart...not designed to repair, maintain and help Boris to create monumental white elephants for his place in history.

Ad hominem attacks demonstrate that your argument is weak.
No, it's a deep seated frustration that you refuse to follow a simple logical argument supported by facts and common sense. You select paragraphs from 10 posts, take out words, phrases and even whole sentences and rearrange them in a nonsensical pattern to suit your predetermined position - EU good / UK bad. It's just alphabet spaghetti. How can building a motorway be a short term kickstart?

I say again, you're a ******* flaming mentalist laboon.
 
Even if the security staff was of North African descent, you can bet your arse that he was following the orders/procedures/protocols of a white man.

I'd bet money on it.

But it's the British that are racist.

I'm Asian, btw, you're all gaijin to me; black or white, just different kinds of hairy baboons.
My bold. I am more akin to an Orangutan thank you!! ;-)
 
...Germany will lose at least 10 million in the coming 80 years and there is a fear that German economy will not find enough workers to fund the pensions of a fast aging population.

Wait till they're expected to provide pensions for a growing non contributory population of migrants, legal or otherwise. You think they have problems now...?
 
He was ignored and ridiculed because he spent in the region of £9 million of UK taxpayers money and couldn't even come up with a solitary, single, positive reason for staying in the EU.

Perhaps you could help him out ( and every other remainer ) and come up with just 1 positive for staying in the EU.

C'mon, it shouldn't be difficult for those highly educated remainers.
You will find out without my assistance. Astounding that you have not spotted anything yet!

I wait now for evidence that this historic disaster is worthwhile.
 
No, it's a deep seated frustration that you refuse to follow a simple logical argument supported by facts and common sense. You select paragraphs from 10 posts, take out words, phrases and even whole sentences and rearrange them in a nonsensical pattern to suit your predetermined position - EU good / UK bad. It's just alphabet spaghetti. How can building a motorway be a short term kickstart?

I say again, you're a ******* flaming mentalist laboon.
That's the CV for a job with this bunch of crooks that you put into No 10....right?
 

Truxx

LE
To answer your question... Probably because the remain case was not an outcome that Russian trolls were instructed to engineer.

There was also the matter of integrity. The tools of propaganda and lies do not flourish among honest people. Cameron was the democratically elected leader appointed at the time and he advised against brexit. He was ignored and ridiculed. Now that is what I call a paradox.

Enter a lying opportunist called Boris and his criminal puppet master. A new age of reckless government began.
Does my Cameron EU booklet count as "propaganda" by the way?

I had it filed under "bollox"
 
I can answer NO with confidence to all your question and tell you I fully agree with you.

The problem here is demographics. German demographics are alarming and the German Gvt knows that. By current calculation, Germany will lose at least 10 million in the coming 80 years and there is a fear that German economy will not find enough workers to fund the pensions of a fast aging population.

Question.
In the UK it's become mandatory to have a private pension scheme (called the work place pension), this will, in the case of most low paid workers, only provide a supplemental top up. However, the Government have also removed the restrictions on retirement. So I suspect retirement for the low paid will look like part time hours + work place pension + state pension.

Have other countries, such as Germany/France not employed such means?
 
Question.
In the UK it's become mandatory to have a private pension scheme (called the work place pension), this will, in the case of most low paid workers, only provide a supplemental top up. However, the Government have also removed the restrictions on retirement. So I suspect retirement for the low paid will look like part time hours + work place pension + state pension.

Have other countries, such as Germany/France not employed such means?

There are incentives to do so and to prepare for old age with a supplementary pension/fund, but people have been used for generations to work about 40 years before retiring around the age of 60-65 for their final 20 or so years on a generally decent pension as long as the retiree owns his/her lodging.

It is the complete change that the aging of the population will bring that younger generations need to get their heads around. The above scheme is already insufficient, it will soon be completely unworkable.
 
You will find out without my assistance. Astounding that you have not spotted anything yet!

Is that your response to:

Perhaps you could help him out ( and every other remainer ) and come up with just 1 positive for staying in the EU.

Holy Christ - I thought with that magic claw hammer of yours, you might have been able to pry a positive out of somewhere.
 

WightMivvi

Old-Salt
To answer your question... Probably because the remain case was not an outcome that Russian trolls were instructed to engineer.

There was also the matter of integrity. The tools of propaganda and lies do not flourish among honest people. Cameron was the democratically elected leader appointed at the time and he advised against brexit. He was ignored and ridiculed. Now that is what I call a paradox.

Enter a lying opportunist called Boris and his criminal puppet master. A new age of reckless government began.

lol. You just get funnier and funnier.

You are blaming “results”, not “causes”.

For example, you say Leavers were ignorant of how the EU worked. That is a “result”. As you claim the EU system is great, the “cause“ must be that Remainers (for a number of reasons) failed to educate us. You were too smug, too complacent, too lazy to spend the time and effort educating us. Instead, you choose to call us ignorant plebs who should bow down to your superiority and do what we were told by superior beings.

Wrong attitude, wrong approach.

The fault is yours. You failed.

The ultimate cause of Brexit is the ignorance, hubris and laziness of the EU and its cheerleaders. Rather than lash out in pain, wouldn’t it be better to understand your own failings so that the EU can avoid similar failures in the future?
 
Ah, but how did you manage to hide the scar? A bit of plastic perhaps?
Pst! Don't tell them. I may be "special" enough that a "Schmiss" goes unnoticed.
 
Wait till they're expected to provide pensions for a growing non contributory population of migrants, legal or otherwise. You think they have problems now...?
I wouldn't be so sure about that. If the mood within the population changes, something I don't rule out at all, the world will in some years see the ugly German again.

Somewhat overshadowed by the typical German Angst of the Wu Flu, the pressure on the government to do something e.g. deport rejected asylum seekers and so on is increasing.

The typical left-wing fantasies that all people are naturally good, peaceful and rational are also decomposing more and more in the course of the rising anti-Semitism caused by Muslim refugees and the general gut feeling of more violence and crime.
The official figures do not yet reflect this gut feeling, but we all know how it is with statistics.

As we all know, the common German when push comes to shove, is prone to more extreme political ideas and moderation is not necessarily one of the strengths.

It would not be nice to see any Nazi party in power again, that would end badly.
 

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