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What now for the EU ?

Subsidy fraud happens everywhere in the EU. Bridges that stand there without road access, roads that lead nowhere.
OLAF, the EU's anti-fraud organisation, is not very helpful, as the Dalli-Gate and Eurostat affairs prove. So this is not a typical British problem and the EU regulations do not necessarily make things any better.
I was on a work visit to Naples and astonished at the amount of car horn honking at traffic lights pretty much everywhere. Its not like the lights are sound controlled. Found out why a few years later talking to an Italian I was working with in Kuwait. There was an EU grant for traffic lights, lots of free wonga over and above the cost of putting lights in. Naples went crazy for it so some streets had them every hundred metres or so, even when they very plainly had no function. The locals know which are the 'real' lights and which are cash generators only, hence the horn tooting if you dare stop at a useless traffic light.
 
Easy to blame the EU for British incompetence. I witnessed a small group of companies waste £1.5m from the EU over five years through bad management. Grants used as slush funds fraudulently claimed. On laws...there has never been a moment when Britain could not make our own laws, the mechanism was always there and regularly used. In addition we were also required by our membership to observe EU laws, laws that we helped to generate and still need today. Fishing is an area of conflict only because of law breaking and greed. No one can police this particular industry efficiently with or without the EU. Following our departure look out for cowboy businesses and criminals to create havoc in a de-regulated free for all. Brexit cannot change human nature.

Stop telling lies on the internet Higgsy, there's a good chap! :thumleft:
 
There is strength in numbers and a system based upon sound principles should work. Time will tell. My firm belief in that such a dynamic organisation with built in healing ability will thrive.
Spot on. Dynamic organisations that have a built in healing ability often thrive.
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but dynamic is not a description that anyone would use to describe the EU.
 
Subsidy fraud happens everywhere in the EU. Bridges that stand there without road access, roads that lead nowhere.
OLAF, the EU's anti-fraud organisation, is not very helpful, as the Dalli-Gate and Eurostat affairs prove. So this is not a typical British problem and the EU regulations do not necessarily make things any better.
You are absolutely right. There are 27 governments involved, each with bent politicians and greedy companies. That they have been discovered is not an indictment against the EU. There is no evidence that in the future Britain will become a holy order of some kind because of brexit. More likely to be the hub of corruption and crime for the world.
 
You are absolutely right. There are 27 governments involved, each with bent politicians and greedy companies. That they have been discovered is not an indictment against the EU. There is no evidence that in the future Britain will become a holy order of some kind because of brexit. More likely to be the hub of corruption and crime for the world.

That is some level of visceral hatred for the country that you served . . .
 

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You are absolutely right. There are 27 governments involved, each with bent politicians and greedy companies. That they have been discovered is not an indictment against the EU. There is no evidence that in the future Britain will become a holy order of some kind because of brexit. More likely to be the hub of corruption and crime for the world.
Hmm. Weren’t you just highlighting the other day how wonderful the EU is because of the unanimously agreed rules that apply across the 27, and now you’re saying that one of the problems is that the 27 don’t abide by the unanimously agreed rules?

The EU is a very inconsistent construct where generally obeying the rules whilst highlighting their stupidity (like the UK did) makes you a “bad” european, whilst agreeing to new rules then ignoring them (the French approach) makes you a “good” european.
 
You are absolutely right. There are 27 governments involved, each with bent politicians and greedy companies. That they have been discovered is not an indictment against the EU. There is no evidence that in the future Britain will become a holy order of some kind because of brexit. More likely to be the hub of corruption and crime for the world.
This is precisely the problem we face with EU politicians, who, in addition to all the things you have listed, are mostly second-rate and incompetent figures shooed away to Brussels.
The history of the EU and its predecessors is full of scandals of politicians like Santer, for example. At present, the events surrounding Martin Selmayer, Juncker's Monster, and the Commission President von der Leyen are examples that everyone should still have in mind.
Von der Leyen was only saved from a shameful resignation by joining the EU. Thinking of it, that woman is so unscrupulous that she probably would not even have resigned.

No one is claiming that UK politicians will be shining, incorruptible examples of integrity and good behaviour after BREXIT. The real question is whether it will be worse than under the wings of the EU.
It is enough for me to be governed by fraudsters from Berlin, not for fraudsters from Brussels to top it off.
 
That is some level of visceral hatred for the country that you served . . .
He's not at all mental:

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For a while there, I thought you were going to be marching down the
Avenue des Champs-Élysées again :)
To be honest I was already downloading a topographic map of the Ardennes for my Garmin, polishing my Lowas and searching for a monocle.
 
The only incompetence demonstrated in my post is the EU's. They refuse to fund projects with long term structural benefits in the UK, instead diverting small grants to relatively useless short term research work. In terms of the frauds you allege, you'd think with all those over-paid bureaucrats and such detailed and technical regulation, they'd be able to do some simple due diligence. Or maybe you're fibbing again.

Fishing is only a conflict because the EU refuse to recognise our sovereign rights to our own Exclusive Economic Zone - an international standard set in 1982 by the UN. There's the greed you mention, coming straight out of Brussels. And yes, it can be policed - whether by patrolling, inspection, radar and IRS etc. Fishing with illegal equipment or where you shouldn't - here's your fine, pay up or have your boat and equipment impounded. What could be simpler. It's got to be better than the EU's CFP - quotas and wasted bycatch, what an idiotic system. The UK has never agreed with the CFP or the CAP, so why lie by saying we generated these absurdities?

Anyway, your time's up clown boy. We're leaving and the sooner the better.

Nice to see French food manufacturer Alpro investing a further £27m for a new factory in Kettering. I wonder why they'd do that if the UK's supposedly heading for a total meltdown post-Brexit. Is it because they can see the opportunities available and that you're barking up the wrong tree again?
How and why should the EU fund long term structural projects in Britain?, no other EU country has such treatment, be realistic... Every pothole in the roads, every rail breakdown and cover the hairbrained ideas from this buffoon led shower of zombies!

Fishing is purely symbolic and rather like irrational patriotism has no place in a global economy. Get over it. See what difference it makes should these ridiculous trade negotiations end with a symbolic gift... They will be singing 'Rule Britannia' in the streets of some small minded dominoes and darts communities around our shores.

Alpro is a drop in the ocean and we still need to eat apparently but at what cost? The grants and subsidies that may apply are historical incentives that are also still available. Not a great risk investment.

 
How and why should the EU fund long term structural projects in Britain?, no other EU country has such treatment, be realistic... Every pothole in the roads, every rail breakdown and cover the hairbrained ideas from this buffoon led shower of zombies!

Fishing is purely symbolic and rather like irrational patriotism has no place in a global economy. Get over it. See what difference it makes should these ridiculous trade negotiations end with a symbolic gift... They will be singing 'Rule Britannia' in the streets of some small minded dominoes and darts communities around our shores.

Alpro is a drop in the ocean and we still need to eat apparently but at what cost? The grants and subsidies that may apply are historical incentives that are also still available. Not a great risk investment.


Why are you arguing with him?

Offer him out for a square go on the cobbles instead.

You fcuking mental spanner.
 
How and why should the EU fund long term structural projects in Britain?, no other EU country has such treatment, be realistic... Every pothole in the roads, every rail breakdown and cover the hairbrained ideas from this buffoon led shower of zombies!

Fishing is purely symbolic and rather like irrational patriotism has no place in a global economy. Get over it. See what difference it makes should these ridiculous trade negotiations end with a symbolic gift... They will be singing 'Rule Britannia' in the streets of some small minded dominoes and darts communities around our shores.

Alpro is a drop in the ocean and we still need to eat apparently but at what cost? The grants and subsidies that may apply are historical incentives that are also still available. Not a great risk investment.

‘Little drops of water,
Little grains of sand,
Make the mighty ocean
And the pleasant land ...’
 
This is precisely the problem we face with EU politicians, who, in addition to all the things you have listed, are mostly second-rate and incompetent figures shooed away to Brussels.
The history of the EU and its predecessors is full of scandals of politicians like Santer, for example. At present, the events surrounding Martin Selmayer, Juncker's Monster, and the Commission President von der Leyen are examples that everyone should still have in mind.
Von der Leyen was only saved from a shameful resignation by joining the EU. Thinking of it, that woman is so unscrupulous that she probably would not even have resigned.

No one is claiming that UK politicians will be shining, incorruptible examples of integrity and good behaviour after BREXIT. The real question is whether it will be worse than under the wings of the EU.
It is enough for me to be governed by fraudsters from Berlin, not for fraudsters from Brussels to top it off.
Given that human nature will not change, there may be a case for equivalent corruption under any scenario. But I doubt that anyone can prove, without the evolution of the EU, Europe would be a better place. Without the EU we would need to invent it in my opinion.
 

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