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What now for the EU ?

EUTM Mali
EUTM RCA
EUTM Somalia

All are still active even though EUTM Mali was scaled down because of the COVID. It is supposed to resume in November 2020.

The UK was part of EUTM Mali until very recently, maybe still is as the mission's website still lists it as a contributing nation

and buried in that document;
  • Mission 2020-2024 Budget: 133.700.000 €
 

Truxx

LE
I only want the truth and it appears though we have done very well with the EU and leaving will be a disaster. We have always been a Sovereign state and have actually helped generate the EU regulations that we need as an international trader. Fishing is not worth worrying about in the big scheme of things. The seas must be sustainable and regulated. Who catches the fish is irrelevant in an open market.

As for the projects mentioned, I'm not sure of the specifics...grants etc. But it will take a lot more to fill the huge hole left by brexit. The EU were investing about 5bn every year. Have a play on this. myeu.uk – see what the EU has done for you
Gosh that link was most interesting.

I wonder where they got the cash from?
 
He knew absolutely nothing it was just his injured pride.
What every taxpayer wants to hear is that there is so much money that the only indicator of success is the amount of it squandered away.

Thank you, the EU, the Euro, the everlasting friendship of the French are things one has to appreciate and preserve.

You are welcome, the Franco-German relationship is indeed something to preserve


de Gaulle greets Adenauer.jpg
 
History is history. France has left its colonies about 60 years ago now. Those nations that are "tied" and have French bases are doing it because it suits them; there are actually more nations wanting to have French bases in Africa than France has money to accept the invitations....
Oh I love it tongue in cheek, I have to say. We left our colonies sixty years ago too, yet suddenly Britain has to pay through the nose. I mean, I'm really unbiased in this being half English and Half German ( I mean that quite sincerely folks) Now why would those countries want French bases? Independence and all that, Not Russian or Chinese for all their investments. History isn't history is it? It's a continuum of causes and effects, Tunisia, Algeria, Morrocco all being part of the equation. Now look at the mess Macron has to deal with. The Italians had the pretence of calling the Med Mare Nostrum. It hasn't worked out for them either. France is now having to pull the fat out of the fire for the EU's humanitarian gestures. Sorry Fantassin, I'm not one of the one's you need to convince- I'm too long in the tooth for that. Other than that- respect.
 
No rational person would claim that the EU wanted brexit... The referendum was an election promise. Farage style claims of arrogance are unfounded....no more than applying regulations unanimously agreed. Propaganda and hatred did the rest.

Accusing me of constant name calling is to totally ignore the silly and pointless ad hominem attacks on valid points, you should be a moderator.

Your point about facts, reason, socialists, federalists and failure shows lack of research. The only failure is in your understanding. The EU are doing their absolute best to avoid a no deal because the consequences can be clearly seen as harmful to everyone. Those wanting to inflict maximum damage for some erroneous reasons are simply vandals...cutting off noses to spite their face. Although the EU will fair better than Britain perhaps "it will be worth it" as a means of realisation.
@Ciggie wants to know who your dealer is
 
To be very honest, BREXIT is not very much in the news, except, from time to time, to say that no significant progress has been made. Most people in France think that if the UK wants to leave, fine, but it just can't have the best of both worlds. It is, apart for expats and business people dealing with the UK, seen as a British issue now.

Whatever Macron "achieves" with BREXIT will not play a role in his potential reelection. Voter will focus on domestic issues.

Regarding fishing rights, i think that many people both understand the point of view of the UK which wants to keep its waters for its internal consumption and the situation of the fishermen. France's EEZ is being pilfered by the Chinese (and others...) all over the globe so there is a degree of understanding by those in the know...


Thanks Fantassin, appreciate the perspective

I have a sister in France, to say I get a distorted impression from her would be understating it.
 
Oh I love it tongue in cheek, I have to say. We left our colonies sixty years ago too, yet suddenly Britain has to pay through the nose. I mean, I'm really unbiased in this being half English and Half German ( I mean that quite sincerely folks) Now why would those countries want French bases? Independence and all that, Not Russian or Chinese for all their investments. History isn't history is it? It's a continuum of causes and effects, Tunisia, Algeria, Morrocco all being part of the equation. Now look at the mess Macron has to deal with. The Italians had the pretence of calling the Med Mare Nostrum. It hasn't worked out for them either. France is now having to pull the fat out of the fire for the EU's humanitarian gestures. Sorry Fantassin, I'm not one of the one's you need to convince- I'm too long in the tooth for that. Other than that- respect.

One of the reasons why some African nations are perfectly happy to have a French base is that for decades it saved them having to spend money on defense and it guarantees them from foreign agression .

Most African armed forces are under-funded because a well trained African unit is always tempted to lead a coup and remove whoever is in power. The security apparatus is thus always turned inward, not outward.

A permanent French presence also means quite a lot of financial fall outs, a life insurance for the Pdt (as in being extracted and sent abroad if things turn nasty), plenty of jobs at excellent conditions for local civilians, a Western-level military hospital, access to MEDEVAC etc., etc.
 
All together now...

Loin de chez nous en Afrique​


Loin de chez nous, en Afrique
Combattait le bataillon,

Pour refaire à la Patrie
Sa splendeur, sa gloire et son renom.

Pour refaire à la Patrie
Sa splendeur, sa gloire et son renom.

La bataille faisait rage,
Lorsque l'un de nous tomba

Et mon meilleur camarade
Gisait là blessé auprès de moi.

Et mon meilleur camarade
Gisait là blessé auprès de moi.

Et ses lèvres murmurèrent
Si tu retournes au pays,

A la maison de ma mère
Parle-lui, dis-lui à mots très doux

A la maison de ma mère
Parle-lui, dis-lui à mots très doux

Dis-lui qu'un soir en Afrique,
Je suis parti pour toujours,

Dis-lui qu'elle me pardonne
Car nous nous retrouverons un jour.

Dis-lui qu'elle me pardonne
Car nous nous retrouverons un jour.
 

philc

LE
All together now...

Loin de chez nous en Afrique​


Loin de chez nous, en Afrique
Combattait le bataillon,

Pour refaire à la Patrie
Sa splendeur, sa gloire et son renom.

Pour refaire à la Patrie
Sa splendeur, sa gloire et son renom.

La bataille faisait rage,
Lorsque l'un de nous tomba

Et mon meilleur camarade
Gisait là blessé auprès de moi.

Et mon meilleur camarade
Gisait là blessé auprès de moi.

Et ses lèvres murmurèrent
Si tu retournes au pays,

A la maison de ma mère
Parle-lui, dis-lui à mots très doux

A la maison de ma mère
Parle-lui, dis-lui à mots très doux

Dis-lui qu'un soir en Afrique,
Je suis parti pour toujours,

Dis-lui qu'elle me pardonne
Car nous nous retrouverons un jour.

Dis-lui qu'elle me pardonne
Car nous nous retrouverons un jour.

Sorry, thats all Hebrew to me.
 
Show your working out please.

I spent my youth hearing about devaluating the Franc and inflation and the value of the USD being at 10 to 1 against the Franc.

Today, stability of currencies reign, you can travel most of Europe with one currency only and inflation and monetary instability is a thing of the past.

I understand things may look different from outside the Euro.
 
Sorry, thats all Hebrew to me.
He did a real sucker punch with this song. From the french wiki.

Loin de chez nous est une marche militaire française.
This song was composed during the war of 1870 by the gefreiter Kurt Moser of the 29th Dresdener Schützen Regiment in the church of Villepinte (Aude) to music by an unknown author under the title "Fern bei Sedan" (On the Heights of Sedan). It was very popular during the 2nd World War where it was sung by both the Germans and the French who knew it thanks to the scouts. The French lyrics are by Georges Fleury. On the same tune, the Paras also sing "Sur la route" created in the 50's in Algeria. It was even performed in 1942 in the Neuengamme concentration camp under the title "Neuengamme Lagerlied" to lyrics by Alf Dortmann.
 
And I believe it was Trueman who asked in reply, "If that included the 100,000s of American soldiers who are buried there?"
If the tale is true Johnson told Dean Rusk: "Ask him about the cemeteries, Dean!" de Gaulle never answered.
 
You don't think who does the regulating is important?
Very important, especially in a large trading bloc such as the EU. The checks and balances must be impartial and fair, with attention to sustainability and the environment. The EU has sufficient qualified people capable of doing this work.
 

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