What now for the EU ?

[par avion]

Tusk is your culprit, he set out to humiliate Cameron and sent him home to the UK with a sore bottom. To many voters wavering between Leave of Remain, that was the last straw.

I think it was Merkel who was the culprit? He went to her with his modest set of demands and she said "Go away David you silly boy", and he returned with a sore bottom. Mind you he was at Eton.

 

[Lardbeast]

As to Germany there’s another problem.
The First Reich, uniquely German was 1870-1919.
Then you have Weimar, which was a republic.
Then you have Dolphy’s try, now where did he get three from?

First was Charlemagne trying it on with the Holy Roman Empire gig, nicht wahr?

ETA: Pipped by Krautman.

 

[Portree Kid]

Last week, either @sniper_bob or @philc posted post after post of inward investment combined with job creation that could just as easily been set up somewhere in the EU.

In the grand scheme of things, it is undoubtedly small, but still a kick in the teeth for the EU.

Another kick in the teeth has just been delivered.

Now confirmed

Unilever's UNA.ASULVR.L boards have decided to proceed with the consumer goods giant's plans to unify its Anglo-Dutch corporate structure into a single entity based in London.

The boards plan to request that the UK High Court approve the cross-border deal at a hearing scheduled for Nov. 2, with a view to completing the process on Nov. 29, the company said.

Unilever boards to press ahead with unification

Unilever's <UNA.AS> <ULVR.L> boards have decided to proceed with the consumer goods giant's plans to unify its Anglo-Dutch corporate structure into a single entity based in London.

www.reuters.com

 

[sniper_bob]

Last week, either @sniper_bob or @philc posted post after post of inward investment combined with job creation that could just as easily been set up somewhere in the EU.

In the grand scheme of things, it is undoubtedly small, but still a kick in the teeth for the EU.

Another kick in the teeth has just been delivered.

Now confirmed

Unilever boards to press ahead with unification

Unilever's <UNA.AS> <ULVR.L> boards have decided to proceed with the consumer goods giant's plans to unify its Anglo-Dutch corporate structure into a single entity based in London.

www.reuters.com

I get 2 or 3 emails a day headlining links to various press releases of deals done, investments, construction or planning notices etc. Each email probably has 10-15 links. I highlighted a few last week simply because most Arrserati won't see what's going on through regular channels and the doom-mongers only want us to believe it's all bad news.

Encouraging that none of our Remainers provided any evidence of a reversal trend to indicate investment leaving the UK to mainland EU. There's a lot going on in London but the regions are gaining too - got to be good!

 

[Portree Kid]

Encouraging that none of our Remainers provided any evidence of a reversal trend to indicate investment leaving the UK to mainland EU.

They cannot provide evidence where none exists

I get 2 or 3 emails a day headlining links to various press releases of deals done, investments, construction or planning notices etc. Each email probably has 10-15 links. I highlighted a few last week simply because most Arrserati won't see what's going on through regular channels and the doom-mongers only want us to believe it's all bad news.

After the last 4 years of doom & gloom, how the UK will be decimated, the EU is EUtopia Ad Infinitum. I see any investment / job creation, no matter how small as a huge kick in the danglies to both the EU and remainers.

 

[LeoRoverman]

First was Charlemagne trying it on with the Holy Roman Empire gig, nicht wahr?

ETA: Pipped by Krautman.

Technically no, It was nominally Frankish which included German peoples.

 

[BossHogg]

(and for the record, I would...)

Get in the queue!

 

[WightMivvi]

No rational person would claim that the EU wanted brexit... The referendum was an election promise. Farage style claims of arrogance are unfounded....no more than applying regulations unanimously agreed. Propaganda and hatred did the rest.

Accusing me of constant name calling is to totally ignore the silly and pointless ad hominem attacks on valid points, you should be a moderator.

Your point about facts, reason, socialists, federalists and failure shows lack of research. The only failure is in your understanding. The EU are doing their absolute best to avoid a no deal because the consequences can be clearly seen as harmful to everyone. Those wanting to inflict maximum damage for some erroneous reasons are simply vandals...cutting off noses to spite their face. Although the EU will fair better than Britain perhaps "it will be worth it" as a means of realisation.

Again, more cleverly worded half-truths.

I agree that the EU did not want Brexit. They have lost a huge amount of money, been humiliated on the world stage, lost a huge amount of soft-power, lost an important political balancing factor (it’s no coincidence that the Visigard Group and the Frugal Four have become more proactive since 2016), lost ~12% of its population, disrupted the long march, exposed the venality of those with power and (more importantly) created a huge amount of unexpected, unwanted and very messy additional work that has spoilt no end of previously pleasurable long and expensive lunches.

All this could have been avoided if they had just been flexible and responsive to public opinion...

I agree that you don’t do “constant name calling”; it’s actually “frequent” rather than “constant”. Semantics aside, you do come across as a pretty hate-fuelled desperate individual, howling at the moon.

As for the “no more than applying regulations unanimously agreed”, well, again, it is factually correct. You just leave out the inconvenient fact that the unanimity is a result of the structural design of the various EU institutions and what they are allowed to do. Dissent is squashed, counter-views are steamrolled, choice is denied, the population has no voice, and the only result allowed is ”more power to the Commission today” or “more power to the Commission tomorrow”.

I disagree with your view that the EU are doing their best to avoid a “no deal”: they are doing their best to screw the UK over as much as they can, and one of their tactics (and, vice versa, ours) will be to risk a “No Deal”. It was said (shortly after the referendum) that the EU decided Northern Ireland was the price the UK would have to pay for Brexit, and we have seen since then that the EU has tried to annex part of the UK. That is not the action of a organisation that is trying to avoid “No Deal”; it’s a huge and unacceptable provocation designed to ensure a binary choice from the UK: agree to foreign overlordship of part of the UK, or no deal.

 

[BuggerAll]

They just need to keep being reminded that, in the final analysis, the EU only has the same legal status at the UN as an individual citizen of any UN member state.
Yes, the EU does have extended permanent observer status, but it has no vote and zero power.
Of course, they are pushing for it, but until it becomes a fully recognised sovereign state, I don’t see that being granted.

I don’t see why France has a seat at the UN Security Council. It’s no longer a proper country. At least of the EU took over its seat there would be some honesty and transparency. I’m not sure if the EU member states should have individual membership either. It’s a bit like all the former Soviet countries having membership.
Either that or Scotland, England, Wales and Norther Ireland should have separate membership.

 

[philc]

So the green light has been given for the go ahead of Fiat-Chrysler to go ahead with group PSA which is Peugeot and so other bits, this will form the world 4th largest car maker and a massive EU concern, but will it be an EUs concern. The new group will be called Stellantis, its HQ will be Amsterdam, so what. well its smoke and mirrors. The actual corporate office will be er London, the Dutch office is more the legal side, Fiat moved to London 2014 for tax reasons and has no sign of moving due to brexit.

So 4th largest Automotive producer will be paying its tax bill in London, despite being a huge concern in the EU, yes, no doubt it will be like Amazon paying all over the place, but the main tax will be UK based and despite all the concerns seems in no rush to move.

Stellantis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Contacts | FCA Group

Investor Relations, Sustainability and Media contacts for FCA.

www.fcagroup.com

Italian support for Fiat-Chrysler sparks political clash

Debate swirls over whether Fiat’s priority is to invest in Italy or to pay dividends as part of the upcoming Peugeot merger.

www.politico.eu

FCA is now a multinational group controlled by a parent company registered in the Netherlands and it is subject to British tax rules, said Tommaso Faccio, the head of secretariat at the Independent Commission for the Reform of International Corporate Taxation (ICRICT).

 

[PhotEx]

Aldi and Lidl prices will depend on where the products come from. British made or grown products should not be affected, european stuff may or may not go up in price, that depends on exchange rates and duties imposed.

Aldi have pretty much switched to being a UK sourced brand here in Britain.
even it’s pastrami is U.K. sourcrd and not a patch on the German stuff it used to sell.

 

[Krautman]

I don’t see why France has a seat at the UN Security Council. It’s no longer a proper country. At least of the EU took over its seat there would be some honesty and transparency. I’m not sure if the EU member states should have individual membership either. It’s a bit like all the former Soviet countries having membership.
Either that or Scotland, England, Wales and Norther Ireland should have separate membership.

That is easy. France, which always likes to play the European fiddle, nevertheless still wants to sit at the table of the powerful and have a say in what happens. After all, they won Waterloo and the 1st and 2nd World War, even if with a little help. Besides, they have those things with the pointy heads that could destroy Moscow or Leningrad. They are a Grand Nation, so they are.
European fraternity is only ever important to France as long as French interests in the world are not affected. France considers itself as a kind of hegemon of Europe or primus inter pares.
The stupid Germans, with their awkward past in international relations, are only too willing to play the French game.

 

[Auld-Yin]

I don’t see why France has a seat at the UN Security Council. It’s no longer a proper country. At least of the EU took over its seat there would be some honesty and transparency. I’m not sure if the EU member states should have individual membership either. It’s a bit like all the former Soviet countries having membership.
Either that or Scotland, England, Wales and Norther Ireland should have separate membership.

Slight tangent to the thread, but I don't see why France got a seat at the SC in the first place. Apart from giving holiday accommodation to the Wehrmacht, France did not do a great deal during the Second Great Unpleasantness.

 

[oldbaldy]

I don’t see why France has a seat at the UN Security Council. It’s no longer a proper country. At least of the EU took over its seat there would be some honesty and transparency. I’m not sure if the EU member states should have individual membership either. It’s a bit like all the former Soviet countries having membership.
Either that or Scotland, England, Wales and Norther Ireland should have separate membership.

The EU have always been trying to get the French & UK Security Council seats. For practical purposes both have usually voted the same way. Now UK is out I expect France to get more pressure to hand it's seat to the EU but I can't see them agreeing

 

[History_Man]

The EU have always been trying to get the French & UK Security Council seats. For practical purposes both have usually voted the same way. Now UK is out I expect France to get more pressure t hand it's seat to the EU but I can't see them agree.

The French will leave the EU before they agree to that.

 

[BuggerAll]

That is easy. France, which always likes to play the European fiddle, nevertheless still wants to sit at the table of the powerful and have a say in what happens. After all, they won Waterloo and the 1st and 2nd World War, even if with a little help. Besides, they have those things with the pointy heads that could destroy Moscow or Leningrad. They are a Grand Nation, so they are.
European fraternity is only ever important to France as long as French interests in the world are not affected. France considers itself as a kind of hegemon of Europe or primus inter pares.
The stupid Germans, with their awkward past in international relations, are only too willing to play the French game.

They need to be reminded that they have given up nationhood. Why should the world treat them as a proper country when clearly they are not. They are merely a large and influential region of the EU.

 

[lastwalt]

Technically no, It was nominally Frankish which included German peoples.

Nevertheless, Karl der Grosse's Holy Roman Empire was the "first reich" in Arther Moeller van den Bruck's book "Das Dritte Reich" which encapsulated much of Nazi ideology.

 

[HCL]

More fecking EU doublespeak. What The hell does 'leave no stone unturned' mean in the context of a deal under these circumstances?

I'd love to see the size of the lever they'd need to overturn the rock.

 

[BetwixtandBetween]

The EU have always been trying to get the French & UK Security Council seats. For practical purposes both have usually voted the same way. Now UK is out I expect France to get more pressure t hand it's seat to the EU but I can't see them agree.

One seat at council.
One aircraft carrier.

I wonder if the eu would like to have the nuclear option also.

 

[BuggerAll]

One seat at council.
One aircraft carrier.

I wonder if the eu would like to have the nuclear option also.

It would be interesting to see how they would spin that particular ambition.