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What now for the EU ?

As to Germany there’s another problem.
The First Reich, uniquely German was 1870-1919.
Then you have Weimar, which was a republic.
Then you have Dolphy’s try, now where did he get three from?
The first one was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation that ended in 1806. The second one was Billy II.'s Kaiserreich from 1871-1918, Weimar was frowned upon, and the third one as we all know was from 1933-1945.
 
The first one was the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation that ended in 1806. The second one was Billy II.'s Kaiserreich from 1871-1918, Weimar was frowned upon, and the third one as we all know was from 1933-1945.
I didn’t realise he’d included Barbarossa. That explains a lot. The HRE was not uniquely German was what I was getting at. I mean if he’d included the Austrian Empire, I could have understood it, since he was a failed Austrian.
 

anglo

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Spain has started to realize, the Brits will take no shit,:)

Spain prepares EMERGENCY Brexit deal with Gibraltar - Will 'leave no stone unturned'


The Spanish government is working urgently to agree a deal with Gibraltar in order to prevent the disruption for workers who cross into the territory for work. If no deal is reached, there could be serious disruption to the 15,000 people who cross the border to work in Gibraltar every day. Negotiators on both sides are hoping a deal can be reached by mid-November before three-way talks between Spain, Gibraltar and the UK.

 
Spain has started to realize, the Brits will take no shit,:)

Spain prepares EMERGENCY Brexit deal with Gibraltar - Will 'leave no stone unturned'


The Spanish government is working urgently to agree a deal with Gibraltar in order to prevent the disruption for workers who cross into the territory for work. If no deal is reached, there could be serious disruption to the 15,000 people who cross the border to work in Gibraltar every day. Negotiators on both sides are hoping a deal can be reached by mid-November before three-way talks between Spain, Gibraltar and the UK.

More fecking EU doublespeak. What The hell does 'leave no stone unturned' mean in the context of a deal under these circumstances?
 

Truxx

LE
More fecking EU doublespeak. What The hell does 'leave no stone unturned' mean in the context of a deal under these circumstances?
....leave no stone unturned in the creation of a level playing field.

That sort of stone turning?

ETA it could mean that they want a deal whatever it takes.

But that's not what they mean.
 
....leave no stone unturned in the creation of a level playing field.

That sort of stone turning?

ETA it could mean that they want a deal whatever it takes.

But that's not what they mean.


In the Spain - Gibraltar - UK context the EU doesn't matter.

What does matter is Spain has eventually caught up and realised that the EU isn't going to and simply cannot help Spain on the Gibraltar issue.
Spain will now make a deal with Gibraltar, the EU is not interested.
 
....leave no stone unturned in the creation of a level playing field.

That sort of stone turning?

ETA it could mean that they want a deal whatever it takes.

But that's not what they mean.
A big rock to leave in your shoe.
 
Indeed he did, but felt sorry for M Barnier crying on his papers that he allowed talks to continue. Work is still in hand for WTO on 1/1/21.

Remember, even when we do bang out on WTO, talks will still go ahead on trade talks, it is just another of the many, many milestones that the EU put up to punish leavers for their gall in dissing the EU.

We probably will get a Canada style deal....in 7 - 10 years when the EU get round to it
. Much was made of the experience of the EU negotiators over the UK ones. It has become very apparent that the EU have no negotiating skills whatsoever, whether with the UK or any other country.
By then the VAG will be bankrupt
 
I didn’t realise he’d included Barbarossa. That explains a lot. The HRE was not uniquely German was what I was getting at. I mean if he’d included the Austrian Empire, I could have understood it, since he was a failed Austrian.
As usual, nothing is really easy with Hitler or the different empires from 1-3. Apart from being mad as a hatter Hitler was a believer in mysticism and occultism and saw himself chosen by "Providence". First of all, the term is not quite correct, from a legal point of view the Third Reich was still the old German Reich of 1871. The term "Third Reich" was coined at the end of the First World War by Dietrich Eckart, publisher and one of Adolf Hitlers mentors, a man who gave him some of his ideas. Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, a nationalistic publicist called his main work 1923 "The Third Reich" and thus contributed to the spread of the term.
The Nazis were not so enthusiastic about the term "Third Reich", it sounded a bit like "third place", but for Hitler there was a particular reason why he liked this term. The term had a mystical background. The term actually goes back to philosophical theories of history and actually means the "kingdom of the Holy Spirit". This sounds illogical at first because National Socialism and Christianity do not go well together. In order to understand this, one has to digress a little.
For this, I steal, because I'm too lazy, from a text written by an employee of the University of Berlin:
"Single-digit numbers have a special meaning. The number three stands for the mediating principle between opposites. In philosophy, the synthesis results from thesis and anthesis. Everywhere there are systems of three: In psychology, a distinction is made between ego, id and superego. In Christianity, God is represented as a Trinity. Finally, in various theories history is seen as being divided into three parts: Antiquity - Middle Ages - Modern Times is still common today.
In the Bible a distinction is made between the pagan, Jewish and Christian kingdom (Paul, Revelation of John). In the Middle Ages Joachim of Fiore distinguishes between the "Kingdom of the Father" (Old Testament), the "Kingdom of the Son" (New Testament) and the Kingdom of the "third divine person" ("Kingdom of Peace of the Holy Spirit"). Others contributed the idea of a struggle between good and evil, which resulted in a kind of final stage of humanity: the "Third Reich" is a kingdom of redemption, eternal kingdom. As ruler of the "Third Reich", Fiore predicted a figure that he nebulously referred to as "DUX". Dux is Latin and means in German : "Führer".
Around 1900, a play by Henrik Ibsen was premiered in which the term "Third Reich" was taken up again.

Hitler liked the mystical meaning of this term extremely well. He introduced it as a term together with the term "1000 year Reich" in a speech on 1.9.1933, where "1000 year" was synonymous with "eternal". In 1939, however, it was again banned and replaced by "Großdeutschland": The term allegedly provoked jokes and suggested that there would be a "Fourth Reich".
After the war, however, the term "Third Reich" was also used by the Allies and prevailed. The actual meaning is little known today."
 
Just for the record here are some other things that Boris did not do on 15th october;

Complete a parachute jump
Map the human genome
Beat me at chess
Swim the channel
Adjust a set of landrover brakes.
Dig the trench for a dry stone wall.

As that graculus bloke used to say

Hope that helps
You are like a cheap NAFI watch, it was on his twitter
 
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Simple, if the EU wanted to avoid Brexit they should have agreed to Cameron's very mediocre requests back in 2015 and avoided a referendum. Their arrogance is their own downfall. They tried to play a brinkmanship game then and they've been doing it ever since.

And your constant name-calling just sounds like the last resort of your failure. Your line of debate is unsupported by fact or reason and supported only by socialists and federalists.

To add to the Brexit good news, KP Snacks has just moved its production of Popchips to a purpose built factory in Ashby-de-la-Zouch..... from Brussels. Oh dear.
No rational person would claim that the EU wanted brexit... The referendum was an election promise. Farage style claims of arrogance are unfounded....no more than applying regulations unanimously agreed. Propaganda and hatred did the rest.

Accusing me of constant name calling is to totally ignore the silly and pointless ad hominem attacks on valid points, you should be a moderator.

Your point about facts, reason, socialists, federalists and failure shows lack of research. The only failure is in your understanding. The EU are doing their absolute best to avoid a no deal because the consequences can be clearly seen as harmful to everyone. Those wanting to inflict maximum damage for some erroneous reasons are simply vandals...cutting off noses to spite their face. Although the EU will fair better than Britain perhaps "it will be worth it" as a means of realisation.
 
Well even the EU is in it’s third incarnation.
Iron and Steel community
European Economic Community.
European Union
Didn't it become the European Community in 1993 and the European Union in 2009? That's four incarnations in total.

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More fecking EU doublespeak. What The hell does 'leave no stone unturned' mean in the context of a deal under these circumstances?
Don't think this is EU business. It's trilateral talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain.

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No rational person would claim that the EU wanted brexit.

I don't ever recall ANYONE ever saying that the EU wanted Brexit.

The question to be asked is - Why did the EU not want Brexit ?

After all, the UK has been nothing but a thorn in its side since 1975.
 
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aardvark64

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I don't ever recall ANYONE ever saying that the EU wanted Brexit.

The question to be asked is - Why did the not want Brexit ?

After all, the UK has been nothing but a thorn in its side since 1975.
Colour me cynical, but the UK has always been a significant net contributor to the EU coffers.

That, plus access to the fishing grounds, the volume of sales of German luxury cars, and the vast amount of fines we pay to Brussels for non-implementation or tardy implementation of EU policy... Say 'good-bye' to a significant chunk of the EU gravy train.

We have always been a thorn in the side of the federalists: staunch allies of Denmark, Netherlands and more recently Poland. Our influence will be missed by the northern half of the union.


(and for the record, I would...)
 
The Irish bint didn't look too happy after that speech.
staunch allies of Denmark, Netherlands and more recently Poland.
Who all showed themselves as staunch allies in ganging up against us alongside the other 24 EU states. Especially Poland after we granted free movement to their citizens in 2004 when the only other countries to do so were Sweden and Ireland. Plus the vast amount of our contributions that went to Poland to upgrade their infrastructure, while we were suffering austerity and cuts to our own infrastructure and services.

No, f*ck them. We don't owe any of them anything.

In the unlikely event that I don't get to her first. Two's Up!
 
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No rational person would claim that the EU wanted brexit... The referendum was an election promise. Farage style claims of arrogance are unfounded....no more than applying regulations unanimously agreed. Propaganda and hatred did the rest.

Accusing me of constant name calling is to totally ignore the silly and pointless ad hominem attacks on valid points, you should be a moderator.

Your point about facts, reason, socialists, federalists and failure shows lack of research. The only failure is in your understanding. The EU are doing their absolute best to avoid a no deal because the consequences can be clearly seen as harmful to everyone. Those wanting to inflict maximum damage for some erroneous reasons are simply vandals...cutting off noses to spite their face. Although the EU will fair better than Britain perhaps "it will be worth it" as a means of realisation.
Missing the point yet again - is this deliberate?

Of course the EU wanted the UK in - we provided the gravy. My point is, had they acquiesced to Cameron's very modest requests, the referendum could have been avoided. Tusk is your culprit, he set out to humiliate Cameron and sent him home to the UK with a sore bottom. To many voters wavering between Leave of Remain, that was the last straw.

Tusk's hubris in 2015 has been echoed through the negotiations by every member of the EU Council, Barnier, Verhoftwat et al. They have sought a deal that the UK could never accept as a sovereign state and tried to bully, coerce and intimidate their way to victory (as they see it). Their whole negotiation strategy has been based on brinkmanship and still is. Boris knows this and is fully prepared to call their bluff.

You accept the EU's negotiation strategy without question but scold Johnson for adopting the only reasonable counter-argument to get a result the UK can accept. I don't think you understand how negotiations work at this level, do you?
 

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