What now for the EU ?

[sniper_bob]

Yes, the EU wanted to stop brexit... of course, everyone should understand that and why. We would be stronger together but now there will be mutual damage with Britain being more severely harmed with a no deal. Protectionist trading blocs are ways of the world and again everyone should understand why but the EU are not "inward-looking", just being prudent. I don't expect vermin to agree with me btw. What I debate is based upon reason and supported by astute observers at all levels.

Simple, if the EU wanted to avoid Brexit they should have agreed to Cameron's very mediocre requests back in 2015 and avoided a referendum. Their arrogance is their own downfall. They tried to play a brinkmanship game then and they've been doing it ever since.

And your constant name-calling just sounds like the last resort of your failure. Your line of debate is unsupported by fact or reason and supported only by socialists and federalists.

To add to the Brexit good news, KP Snacks has just moved its production of Popchips to a purpose built factory in Ashby-de-la-Zouch..... from Brussels. Oh dear.

 

[philc]

Slightly older article on the EU Corna Fund but Spain is in for 140 Billion, France in for 40 Billion, German 130 Billion, Greece talks of 32 Billion, and Italy looking at a figure similar to Spain's, big debt being accrued at a high cost and not the actual numbers.

Spain unveils economic recovery plan amid pandemic

LISBON, Portugal (AP) — Spain’s prime minister unveiled a major plan Wednesday to boost his country out of recession by spending 140 billion euros ($162 billion) of European Union aid to reshape...

apnews.com

 

[Krautman]

Well the French are on their Fifth.....

There is more to it: Poland has it's third Republic and Belgium and the Netherlands depending on how you count are special cases too. I ask myself if we have to add up or if we do subtract.

 

[ExREME.TECH]

You can add into that that Italy, Spain and France are in the too big to fail category. If they do down (Italy leading the change over the cliff edge), it's also bye, bye euro and bye, bye the EU in it's present form. The room for tin can kicking for the EU is steadily reducing - and the time at which it will face an existential crisis is fast approaching.

Good job we're out as the EU is sure to try and throw massive amounts of money at the problem to stave off disaster. We're going to escape that particular begging bowl.

Wordsmith

Nottingham Forest 1993?

 

[harrythebastard]

Simple, if the EU wanted to avoid Brexit they should have agreed to Cameron's very mediocre requests back in 2015 and avoided a referendum. Their arrogance is their own downfall. They tried to play a brinkmanship game then and they've been doing it ever since.

I don't think it is only us cynics on here who have noticed either.
A relevant quote.
"Brexit, then, was not an aberration. Instead of applauding or condemning it – for, after all, Brexit is yesterday’s argument – the EU must seek to learn its lessons."

From that XRW rag, the Grauniad of all places.

They even remember that quote of Macron in 2018 when he was (back then) honest enough to say to Andrew Marr that if the French were asked a similar question that it was possible a referendum in France could even have yielded the same result as in Britain.
Which is why the last referendum in France, in 2005, when they voted no to more Europe will be the last one on the subject.

Brexit was no aberration. The European Union needs to learn from it | Vernon Bogdanor

Rather than centralising power, the union should realise that challenging members’ national identities sparks resistance, says professor of government Vernon Bogdanor

www.theguardian.com

 

[Edwardian Fred]

I suspect the EU's attitude will change if we exit on WTO terms. The UK can then start signing off FTA's with other countries that may result in them getting better access to UK markets that the EU trading on WTO terms. As such, the EU is looking at the £72 billion trade surplus it currently enjoys with the UK slowly vanishing as it is replaced by more efficient competitors.

The EU can cut off its nose to spite its base by not signing a trade deal post December 31st. But that will result in job losses in the various member states and various incumbent governments courting unpopularity as a result.

Wordsmith

I just hope we can rid ourselves of tasteless produce including indigenous products that have been "europhied", I.e HP sauce Cadbury's/Terry's and Roundtrees chocolate. Cars that look great and an appetite for success instead of self flagellation.

 

[Edwardian Fred]

Nottingham Forest 1993?

Now then young man

 

[Lance_corp_more_rant]

It looks like, for the moment at least, the EU have given up trying to steal N. Ireland and are concentrating on stealing our fishing grounds! Just keep nodding your head Boris and when the time is right quietly walk away. They'll be back!

 

[Truxx]

You agree that Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

Who (other than you) said he did by the way?

 

[Truxx]

Cue frantic googling

 

[Brotherton Lad]

Who (other than you) said he did by the way?

I said he didn't. No need to Google.

 

[ExREME.TECH]

I just hope we can rid ourselves of tasteless produce including indigenous products that have been "europhied", I.e HP sauce Cadbury's/Terry's and Roundtrees chocolate. Cars that look great and an appetite for success instead of self flagellation.

Yankified

 

[Truxx]

I said he didn't. No need to Google.

Leaving the reader with an overwhelming sense of so what's your point?

 

[Truxx]

Just for the record here are some other things that Boris did not do on 15th october;

Complete a parachute jump
Map the human genome
Beat me at chess
Swim the channel
Adjust a set of landrover brakes.
Dig the trench for a dry stone wall.

As that graculus bloke used to say

Hope that helps

 

[Brotherton Lad]

Leaving the reader with an overwhelming sense of so what's your point?

Indeed.

 

[LeoRoverman]

You agree that Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

Do you agree that Boris hasn’t agreed?

 

[Brotherton Lad]

Do you agree that Boris hasn’t agreed?

I agree he's done nothing public for a while.

 

[Tyk]

Simple, if the EU wanted to avoid Brexit they should have agreed to Cameron's very mediocre requests back in 2015 and avoided a referendum. Their arrogance is their own downfall. They tried to play a brinkmanship game then and they've been doing it ever since.

And your constant name-calling just sounds like the last resort of your failure. Your line of debate is unsupported by fact or reason and supported only by socialists and federalists.

To add to the Brexit good news, KP Snacks has just moved its production of Popchips to a purpose built factory in Ashby-de-la-Zouch..... from Brussels. Oh dear.

That's exactly why Brexit has happened, if Cameron had come back with a deal (what he was after was pretty pathetic) then the referendum wouldn't have happened, Farage would still be in the EU Parliament periodically tearing lumps out of various Eurocrats and Brexit wouldn't have been boiling for 4 and a bit years.
Given the chance to actually vote the UK population decided that the arguments for remain were weaker than those to leave and the rest is history, I suspect several member states populations would also vote to leave if they had the opportunity.
I'm not against the EU as a concept, in fact I found it extremely convenient and good for my business, but I did vote to leave on considering a whole raft of factors, the biggest decider being the sheer arrogance of the EU implementation. If the EU had been constituted as a trading bloc of common interests and minimal government I would have voted remain like a shot.

My suspicion is that the EU's days are numbered and that it's already fundamentally dead (I concede my read could be way off) it's just a matter of time before the stink of the corpse becomes noticed by the membership as a whole.

 

[LeoRoverman]

There is more to it: Poland has it's third Republic and Belgium and the Netherlands depending on how you count are special cases too. I ask myself if we have to add up or if we do subtract.

Well even the EU is in it’s third incarnation.
Iron and Steel community
European Economic Community.
European Union

 

[LeoRoverman]

As to Germany there’s another problem.
The First Reich, uniquely German was 1870-1919.
Then you have Weimar, which was a republic.
Then you have Dolphy’s try, now where did he get three from?