What now for the EU ?

[philc]

You can add into that that Italy, Spain and France are in the too big to fail category. If they do down (Italy leading the change over the cliff edge), it's also bye, bye euro and bye, bye the EU in it's present form. The room for tin can kicking for the EU is steadily reducing - and the time at which it will face an existential crisis is fast approaching.

Good job we're out as the EU is sure to try and throw massive amounts of money at the problem to stave off disaster. We're going to escape that particular begging bowl.

Wordsmith

I believe Spain has gone for the money and is spending as I type.

 

[Auld-Yin]

The talks go on,........... and on, and on and are moving back to Brussels. Apologies for the link to the Express

Brexit talks urgently moved to Brussels as UK and EU edge closer to deal

BREXIT talks will up sticks to Brussels on Thursday with EU and UK negotiators eying a breakthrough in the wrangling over the trade deal.

www.express.co.uk

How are these intensive talks going and just how much talking is being done? Is it like....

EU: Can we fish in your waters?
UK: No.

UK: Can we have a free trade agreement
EU: No

EU: Can we fish in your waters?
UK: NO
UK: Can we have a free trade agreement
EU: No.

And so on .........

 

[Brotherton Lad]

The talks go on,........... and on, and on and are moving back to Brussels. Apologies for the link to the Express

Brexit talks urgently moved to Brussels as UK and EU edge closer to deal

BREXIT talks will up sticks to Brussels on Thursday with EU and UK negotiators eying a breakthrough in the wrangling over the trade deal.

www.express.co.uk

How are these intensive talks going and just how much talking is being done? Is it like....

EU: Can we fish in your waters?
UK: No.

UK: Can we have a free trade agreement
EU: No

EU: Can we fish in your waters?
UK: NO
UK: Can we have a free trade agreement
EU: No.

And so on .........

You mean Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

 

[Auld-Yin]

You mean Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

Indeed he did, but felt sorry for M Barnier crying on his papers that he allowed talks to continue. Work is still in hand for WTO on 1/1/21.

Remember, even when we do bang out on WTO, talks will still go ahead on trade talks, it is just another of the many, many milestones that the EU put up to punish leavers for their gall in dissing the EU.

We probably will get a Canada style deal....in 7 - 10 years when the EU get round to it. Much was made of the experience of the EU negotiators over the UK ones. It has become very apparent that the EU have no negotiating skills whatsoever, whether with the UK or any other country.

 

[Brotherton Lad]

Indeed he did, but felt sorry for M Barnier crying on his papers that he allowed talks to continue. Work is still in hand for WTO on 1/1/21.

Remember, even when we do bang out on WTO, talks will still go ahead on trade talks, it is just another of the many, many milestones that the EU put up to punish leavers for their gall in dissing the EU.

We probably will get a Canada style deal....in 7 - 10 years when the EU get round to it. Much was made of the experience of the EU negotiators over the UK ones. It has become very apparent that the EU have no negotiating skills whatsoever, whether with the UK or any other country.

Do you really believe that?

 

[Auld-Yin]

Do you really believe that?

Can you give any evidence that would give me confidence that I may not be correct?

 

[Brotherton Lad]

Can you give any evidence that would give me confidence that I may not be correct?

Lack of walking away on 15 Oct.

 

[Auld-Yin]

Lack of walking away on 15 Oct.

The EU seemed to notice that as well and made no change to their stance at all, no siree.

 

[Helm]

Lack of walking away on 15 Oct.

Still banging that drum eh, marvellous stuff and so wrong on so many counts.

 

[Auld-Yin]

@Brotherton Lad

Questions for you for a change, and it is not really a yes or no answer I am looking for.

Did you really expect all trade talks to end immediately if a trade agreement had been reached? Do you expect all talks to end immediately when we move on to WTO arrangements.

 

[Wordsmith]

Remember, even when we do bang out on WTO, talks will still go ahead on trade talks, it is just another of the many, many milestones that the EU put up to punish leavers for their gall in dissing the EU.

I suspect the EU's attitude will change if we exit on WTO terms. The UK can then start signing off FTA's with other countries that may result in them getting better access to UK markets that the EU trading on WTO terms. As such, the EU is looking at the £72 billion trade surplus it currently enjoys with the UK slowly vanishing as it is replaced by more efficient competitors.

The EU can cut off its nose to spite its base by not signing a trade deal post December 31st. But that will result in job losses in the various member states and various incumbent governments courting unpopularity as a result.

Wordsmith

 

[Brotherton Lad]

I suspect the EU's attitude will change if we exit on WTO terms. The UK can then start signing off FTA's with other countries that may result in them getting better access to UK markets that the EU trading on WTO terms. As such, the EU is looking at the £72 billion trade surplus it currently enjoys with the UK slowly vanishing as it is replaced by more efficient competitors.

The EU can cut off its nose to spite its base by not signing a trade deal post December 31st. But that will result in job losses in the various member states and various incumbent governments courting unpopularity as a result.

Wordsmith

This is so funny to watch.

 

[Le_addeur_noir]

Rumour has it that you live in East Ham, which is one step short of Barking on the District Line.

Wordsmith

According to Private Eye some loon in one of the newspapers in the 1990s was known as Upminster, as it was very close to Barking.

 

[Krautman]

You mean Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

Why should he do that? After Barnier came crawling with his tail between his legs, there was no reason to. It was and is a nice Cake and Arrse party for the EU and we will just have to wait and see.
The Panto continues.

 

[Krautman]

Die und das. Your German is useless.

.. und Vierte.

I have seen worse.

 

[LeoRoverman]

Lack of walking away on 15 Oct.

I’m afraid that doesn’t prove anything. It’s Barnier doing the shuttling in case you’d missed it.

 

[LeoRoverman]

I have seen worse.

Well the French are on their Fifth.....

 

[Brotherton Lad]

I’m afraid that doesn’t prove anything. It’s Barnier doing the shuttling in case you’d missed it.

You agree that Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

 

[Auld-Yin]

You agree that Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

No, I don't agree. Neither does the EU.

 

[Helm]

You agree that Johnson didn't walk on 15 Oct?

Post what he actually said, that may clue you in as to why you're being laughed at. . . Again.