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What now for the EU ?

Who gives a flying.

As ever, that ( cough cough ) analytical brain misses the point by a Country mile.

The point being, it is the 1st Trade Deal the UK has struck free of the EU, and struck in record time.

You also got papped on Options for Change, didn't you ?
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:-D
 
Is it better than, the same or worse than the deal we currently enjoy via the EU? It came into force on 1 Feb 2019.



yes, I’m sure the EU trade deal with japan with boost the non existent exports of smoked sausage from Latvia to Japan.

oh, whats that.. the UK is the big european Trader with Japan, not the Eurominnows?
 
The problem with engaging in battles of wits with remainers, when you're a Eurosceptic, is that your opponent is unarmed.
I disagree.
They are usually armed with a stick of limp celery, an irrelevant tweet from some random twatter and a link to the Gruniad.

Oh and tears......lots and lots of sweet, sweet tears they try to drown you with.
 
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I think we both know that the EU is dying to be a single entity.

It's been the point of the 'project' since its inception.

Anyone who doesn't realise this is probably a bit slow on the uptake.

Guilty as charged. I was told of it's intent, over 50 years ago. Dismissed it as a load of rubbish. Of course even back then they weren't up front with their intention. I'm sure I wasn't the only one fooled by them. If the EU had said what it intended from the start, I doubt it would've had the support to get off the ground.
 
Guilty as charged. I was told of it's intent, over 50 years ago. Dismissed it as a load of rubbish. Of course even back then they weren't up front with their intention. I'm sure I wasn't the only one fooled by them. If the EU had said what it intended from the start, I doubt it would've had the support to get off the ground.idea

Similar story here. The idea that someone in a non UK capital could tell the UK how it governed itself wasn't obvious. The idea seemed so colonial as to be laughable in a post colonial era.
 
Published by: Philip Case, FARMERS WEEKLY, ON 22 October 2020.

Shock as Red Tractor chair votes ‘to lower food standards’

Farm leaders have expressed disbelief after the chair of the company behind the Red Tractor Assurance scheme voted against measures aimed at protecting British farmers from cheap food imports post Brexit.

Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe was appointed as chair of Assured Food Standards (ASF), the company which owns Red Tractor Assurance, in November 2017.

She joined the House of Lords as a Conservative peer in October 2013.

In the House of Lords on Tuesday (20 October), peers voted on important amendments to insert powers in the Agriculture Bill, which aim to protect British farmers from future trade deals that risk flooding the UK market with cheap food imports.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe voted against the Lord Curry amendment 18B requiring the new Trade and Agriculture Commission to submit reports on international trade agreements and their effect on farming for parliamentary scrutiny.

She also voted against the second amendment by Labour peer Lord Grantchester, which seeks to strengthen food standards for imported food, to ensure they meet relevant UK food standards after the Brexit transition ends.

The government was defeated on both votes, with a number of Conservative peers backing the farming industry. The bill will now return to the House of Commons on 4 November when MPs will be under pressure to accept the amendments.

Commenting this week on the appointment of professor Guy Poppy, former Food Standards Agency chief scientific adviser to the AFS board, Baroness Neville-Rolfe said: “This is a critically important time for Red Tractor to demonstrate strong leadership in protecting the integrity of the food chain and British agricultural standards.

“Our standards are the bedrock of the farming industry – it is our duty to understand the implications of any changes in approach to the science of food production and farming.”

‘Farmers betrayed’ . . . .

Liz Webster, chair of campaign group Save British Farming (SBF), said she was shocked by Baroness Neville-Rolfe’s voting decisions.

“It’s more obfuscation and more proof that farmers are being betrayed,” said Ms Webster. “It’s clear that we [farmers] are being frogmarched into retirement.

“In my view, this seriously undermines faith in the Red Tractor assurance scheme.”

She added: “The British public has been misled time and time again by this government, particularly on Brexit and food standards.

“Why did the Conservatives promise in their 2019 election manifesto to uphold farmers’ standards if they have no intention to do so?”

A farming industry leader, who did not want to be named, said: “This is quite worrying. There are quite a few farmers struggling with confidence in Red Tractor at the moment. This appears to confirm some fears.”

Oxford educated . . . .

Before she was appointed ASF chair, Baroness Neville-Rolfe spent 15 years at Tesco where she was an executive director on the main board from 2006 to 2013.

Until 1997, she was a senior civil servant in the Cabinet Office, the prime minister’s policy unit and the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF).

Baroness Neville-Rolfe was brought up on a mixed farm in Wiltshire, was convent educated and studied philosophy, politics and economics at Oxford University.

Farmers Weekly contacted Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe to request a response. Here is what she said:

“The UK is currently negotiating trade arrangements with the EU and many other countries reflecting the end of the transitional period on the 31 December 2020. These are very difficult negotiations which are likely to have a serious effect on our prosperity for many years.

“I have experience of international negotiation – for example on the EU sheepmeat regime when I was an official in the Agriculture ministry. I know that it is highly desirable to allow UK negotiators maximum flexibility so that they can obtain the best overall deal for the country as a whole.

“In parliament there are many attempts to limit our negotiators in one way or another by trying to make this or that concept either essential or unacceptable. The risk is that if UK negotiators are limited in this way the eventual outcome will be worse, overall, for the UK than it would otherwise have been.

“In short, I am wary of all attempts to shackle our negotiators. We have to let them do their best.

“None of this implies that interests, including agricultural interests, should not exert pressure on the government to seek the outcomes they want. Of course they do and sometimes the government accept them.

“But trying to impose limitations by statute on the government is in my view not the best way to do it. Those outside the negotiations, including me, simply do not have enough knowledge of the detail to judge what will work.

“My votes in parliament were based on this appreciation of the realities.”

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[photo: Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe © Richard Gardner/ShutterstockBaroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe © Richard Gardner/Shutterstock].


Also posted on the specific "Farming & Small Holding" thread; and, the general "All Inter-web video and links" thread.
 
Then you are twice incorrect.

The figures that I can find are all pre-Brexit. Therefore, if we remove UK Nominal GDP of £2.8tn, our much-vaunted EU is nowhere near that of the US:


. . . and, given that the EU is a trading bloc made up of 27 Nation states, it is more than a touch disingenuous to continue the lie that the EU is a sovereign state and that it's product should be treated as that of a single state.
The USA is a single state right?

Brexit is not all about self harm, our so called "friends" in Europe will be casualties too. Nothing good will come from the delusional hatred that brexiteers feed upon. Paranoia about sovereignty, from the narrow minded flag wavers who have no idea what the word means, because in an ever shrinking globe it can never survive. Even when Britain plunges into isolation we will still be bound by countless worldwide laws, regulations and standards. Our reputation destroyed by rogues and vandals... Forget a Canada deal... North Korea is our future model.
 
Published by: Philip Case, FARMERS WEEKLY, ON 22 October 2020.

Shock as Red Tractor chair votes ‘to lower food standards’

Farm leaders have expressed disbelief after the chair of the company behind the Red Tractor Assurance scheme voted against measures aimed at protecting British farmers from cheap food imports post Brexit.

Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe was appointed as chair of Assured Food Standards (ASF), the company which owns Red Tractor Assurance, in November 2017.

She joined the House of Lords as a Conservative peer in October 2013.

In the House of Lords on Tuesday (20 October), peers voted on important amendments to insert powers in the Agriculture Bill, which aim to protect British farmers from future trade deals that risk flooding the UK market with cheap food imports.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe voted against the Lord Curry amendment 18B requiring the new Trade and Agriculture Commission to submit reports on international trade agreements and their effect on farming for parliamentary scrutiny.

She also voted against the second amendment by Labour peer Lord Grantchester, which seeks to strengthen food standards for imported food, to ensure they meet relevant UK food standards after the Brexit transition ends.

The government was defeated on both votes, with a number of Conservative peers backing the farming industry. The bill will now return to the House of Commons on 4 November when MPs will be under pressure to accept the amendments.

Commenting this week on the appointment of professor Guy Poppy, former Food Standards Agency chief scientific adviser to the AFS board, Baroness Neville-Rolfe said: “This is a critically important time for Red Tractor to demonstrate strong leadership in protecting the integrity of the food chain and British agricultural standards.

“Our standards are the bedrock of the farming industry – it is our duty to understand the implications of any changes in approach to the science of food production and farming.”

‘Farmers betrayed’ . . . .

Liz Webster, chair of campaign group Save British Farming (SBF), said she was shocked by Baroness Neville-Rolfe’s voting decisions.

“It’s more obfuscation and more proof that farmers are being betrayed,” said Ms Webster. “It’s clear that we [farmers] are being frogmarched into retirement.

“In my view, this seriously undermines faith in the Red Tractor assurance scheme.”

She added: “The British public has been misled time and time again by this government, particularly on Brexit and food standards.

“Why did the Conservatives promise in their 2019 election manifesto to uphold farmers’ standards if they have no intention to do so?”

A farming industry leader, who did not want to be named, said: “This is quite worrying. There are quite a few farmers struggling with confidence in Red Tractor at the moment. This appears to confirm some fears.”

Oxford educated . . . .

Before she was appointed ASF chair, Baroness Neville-Rolfe spent 15 years at Tesco where she was an executive director on the main board from 2006 to 2013.

Until 1997, she was a senior civil servant in the Cabinet Office, the prime minister’s policy unit and the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF).

Baroness Neville-Rolfe was brought up on a mixed farm in Wiltshire, was convent educated and studied philosophy, politics and economics at Oxford University.

Farmers Weekly contacted Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe to request a response. Here is what she said:

“The UK is currently negotiating trade arrangements with the EU and many other countries reflecting the end of the transitional period on the 31 December 2020. These are very difficult negotiations which are likely to have a serious effect on our prosperity for many years.

“I have experience of international negotiation – for example on the EU sheepmeat regime when I was an official in the Agriculture ministry. I know that it is highly desirable to allow UK negotiators maximum flexibility so that they can obtain the best overall deal for the country as a whole.

“In parliament there are many attempts to limit our negotiators in one way or another by trying to make this or that concept either essential or unacceptable. The risk is that if UK negotiators are limited in this way the eventual outcome will be worse, overall, for the UK than it would otherwise have been.

“In short, I am wary of all attempts to shackle our negotiators. We have to let them do their best.

“None of this implies that interests, including agricultural interests, should not exert pressure on the government to seek the outcomes they want. Of course they do and sometimes the government accept them.

“But trying to impose limitations by statute on the government is in my view not the best way to do it. Those outside the negotiations, including me, simply do not have enough knowledge of the detail to judge what will work.

“My votes in parliament were based on this appreciation of the realities.”

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[photo: Baroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe © Richard Gardner/ShutterstockBaroness Lucy Neville-Rolfe © Richard Gardner/Shutterstock].


Also posted on the specific "Farming & Small Holding" thread; and, the general "All Inter-web video and links" thread.
Save British Farming.
Weren't they the ones in Westminster the other week on a demo?
I think I commented that they were likely the land owning big farmers like Heseltine who stand to lose a packet in free money from the EU.

 

Brotherton Lad

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I think we both know that the EU is dying to be a single entity.

It's been the point of the 'project' since its inception.

Anyone who doesn't realise this is probably a bit slow on the uptake.


Unlikely in my lifetime.

Just tilting at windmills in your imagination.
 
The USA is a single state right?

Brexit is not all about self harm, our so called "friends" in Europe will be casualties too. Nothing good will come from the delusional hatred that brexiteers feed upon. Paranoia about sovereignty, from the narrow minded flag wavers who have no idea what the word means, because in an ever shrinking globe it can never survive. Even when Britain plunges into isolation we will still be bound by countless worldwide laws, regulations and standards. Our reputation destroyed by rogues and vandals... Forget a Canada deal... North Korea is our future model.

Absolutely fcuking howling.
 
The USA is a single state right?

Brexit is not all about self harm, our so called "friends" in Europe will be casualties too. Nothing good will come from the delusional hatred that brexiteers feed upon. Paranoia about sovereignty, from the narrow minded flag wavers who have no idea what the word means, because in an ever shrinking globe it can never survive. Even when Britain plunges into isolation we will still be bound by countless worldwide laws, regulations and standards. Our reputation destroyed by rogues and vandals... Forget a Canada deal... North Korea is our future model.

Seriously?

Chap, you need to seek professional help.
 
The USA is a single state right?

Brexit is not all about self harm, our so called "friends" in Europe will be casualties too. Nothing good will come from the delusional hatred that brexiteers feed upon. Paranoia about sovereignty, from the narrow minded flag wavers who have no idea what the word means, because in an ever shrinking globe it can never survive. Even when Britain plunges into isolation we will still be bound by countless worldwide laws, regulations and standards. Our reputation destroyed by rogues and vandals... Forget a Canada deal... North Korea is our future model.
Are you feeling alright dear?
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
The USA is a single state right?

Brexit is not all about self harm, our so called "friends" in Europe will be casualties too. Nothing good will come from the delusional hatred that brexiteers feed upon. Paranoia about sovereignty, from the narrow minded flag wavers who have no idea what the word means, because in an ever shrinking globe it can never survive. Even when Britain plunges into isolation we will still be bound by countless worldwide laws, regulations and standards. Our reputation destroyed by rogues and vandals... Forget a Canada deal... North Korea is our future model.
Well this is brilliant. The impending completion of Brexit has finally driven you to the point of your own special OCD version of screaming incoherence. Hopefully that might help cut down on the Holocaust denial, but somehow I doubt it. At the very least, the prospect of our departure from the EU appears to have shorted out several of your few remaining synapses, so win/win really.
 

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