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Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
This smells like the EU are trying to blame the UK and simultaneously repair the damage the EU has done:

The EU is still working on the basis that ultimately BoJo wants to do a deal based on a modified version of their terms; I don't think they can conceive that he's happy with WTO terms unless they perform a massive climb down. They couldn't understand why the UK wanted to leave; they can't understand why the UK doesn't want close ties with the EU.

(Clue: the EU is 15% of world trade and shrinking; the rest of the world is 85% of world trade and growing).

And there's another interesting factor in play: Covid 19. That's reduced the volume of export trade. As such the chances of disruption at the ports is lessening - we're going to see smaller queues of lorries and more leeway in getting systems working. In addition, as I've flagged before, the EU exports more to us that we export more to them; an interruption of trade provides an opportunity for UK manufacturers to grab more of the home market, more than balancing to loss of exports to the UK market. Any CEO of a business that hasn't recognised that a no-deal Brexit is a realistic possibility and prepared for it is an idiot unworthy of the post. My CEO is at heart a Remainer, but that's not stopped him thinking about how to cope with a no-deal Brexit and making the appropriate changes.

The EU thinks the UK want's to go down the road that they're signposting; BoJo is quietly travelling down an alternative route.

Wordsmith
 
Published by: AfD im EU-Parlament, on 14 October 2020.

+++ EU SCANDAL PLAN unveiled: MASS MIGRATION is WANTED! +++

This EU document has it in itself!

In a document published at the end of September this year, the EU Commission recommends that the member states create ' legal migration path s' ' for migrants to Europe.

What's more, the migrants should not only be temporarily protected, but should be permanently resettled. This is a ' moral duty ' ' - the eternal number with the guilty conscience!

Specifically, the Commission's recommendation states: ' The number of refugees and other persons in need of international protection is increasing worldwide. It is therefore necessary to strengthen the Union's ability to fulfill its moral duty to provide effective assistance. All Member States should participate in the Union's joint efforts to show solidarity to all those in need of international protection by providing legal access to the Union and extending protection zones outside the Union. '

Therefore, EU states should ′′ contribute to international initiatives for resettlement and reception for humanitarian reasons and better general migration management."

And further: ′′ Resettlement is also a central part of the Union's asylum and migration policy, as it provides safe, legal access routes to protect those in need and helps to save lives, reduce irregular migration and combat the business model of smuggling networks. Resettlement is also an important and integral part of a comprehensive migration concept when it comes to including partner countries across the entire spectrum of migration policy."

This is about crowds of millions: ′′ UNHCR has confirmed that global resettlement needs, with 1,44 million vulnerable, are still high in 2020 This figure should continue to rise in the coming years."

Dr. Gunnar Beck on this:
′′ The EU Commission plans the border between refugees and economic and social affairs. other migrants, and thus between legal and illegal migration, continue to undermine. In addition, the Geneva Convention on Refugees will now be leveraged through the back door itself, by relocating refugees who are already in safe third countries, in which they are supposed to apply for temporary international protection under Article 31 CSFs, at the expense of European taxpayers. should be. In addition, further stimulus will be created to ensure that migrants are heading even more directly into the EU. After all, current international law does not provide for the establishment of even legal migrants, but only temporary protection. The EU Commission, on the other hand, talks about resettlement and resettlement. So migrants should not only be protected, but should be specifically established in Europe. The EU Migration Pact is not an emergency or protection program, but a long-term settlement plan."

Bernhard Zimniok adds:
′′ This is an attempt to further push the increasing population exchange under the guise of alleged willingness to help and charity. The fact that the main problem in this context, the overpopulation of large parts of Africa and parts of Asia, is not even addressed and therefore even recognized as such, shows that the EU Commission has no interest in solving the migration problem in the long term."

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/.../recommendation-promoting...

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It's hard to have a scooby on public opinion when you don't leave the confines of the Academy, they don't allow just anybody at Sandhurst so BL will hardly mix with the general public.
His patrician air assumes that the great unwashed should keep themselves out of the great affairs of state and probably tells people, that the referendum proved the point....

Its that Ivory Tower mentality, that hasn't been unseated entirely, but the politics has clearly passed him and even on the continent you have a far more sanguine approach to the EU and I personally think they're know the game is up on 'ever closer union' and it took the UK to pull them out of the clarts again (kind of makes you proud).
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
More news from the EU - Mutti is in teddy throwing mode because more Eu countries are refusing to take refugees.

Germany's current stint as holder of the rotating Council of the EU presidency was supposed to be the grand finale to Merkel's tenure as chancellor.... But then, the refugee camp on Lesbos went up in flames and a new question arose: What to do with the almost 13,000 refugees who had been packed into the mostly destroyed camp. Berlin had hardly stated that it was prepared to take in just over 1,500 refugees who had been living in camps in Greece before Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced: "We will not be following the German path on this issue." Welcome to the EU.
And
Merkel, of course, shares some of the blame. Many in other EU capitals seem to assume that Germany will ultimately take care of the problem on its own, likely a function of Merkel's unilateral decision back in 2015 to take in hundreds of thousands of refugees. It is a decision that continues to overshadow all European migrant policy debates even today.

So Mutti, having unilaterally opened the floodgates, is now moaning that other countries don't like having economic migrants foisted on them.

And the EU's problems get worse in 2021 when the UK pulls up the drawbridge by making it far more difficult to claim refuges status in the UK, making it easier to hoof failed claimants, and cutting off immediate access to benefits. So fewer economic migrants will come to the UK and more will stay in the EU.

A classic example of the benefits of diverging from EU law - and why the EU is so desperate to tie us to them. If the UK stems the flow of migrants, the cries to do the same in the EU will become ever louder.

Wordsmith
 
Published by: AfD im EU-Parlament, on 14 October 2020.

+++ EU SCANDAL PLAN unveiled: MASS MIGRATION is WANTED! +++

This EU document has it in itself!

In a document published at the end of September this year, the EU Commission recommends that the member states create ' legal migration path s' ' for migrants to Europe.

What's more, the migrants should not only be temporarily protected, but should be permanently resettled. This is a ' moral duty ' ' - the eternal number with the guilty conscience!

Specifically, the Commission's recommendation states: ' The number of refugees and other persons in need of international protection is increasing worldwide. It is therefore necessary to strengthen the Union's ability to fulfill its moral duty to provide effective assistance. All Member States should participate in the Union's joint efforts to show solidarity to all those in need of international protection by providing legal access to the Union and extending protection zones outside the Union. '

Therefore, EU states should ′′ contribute to international initiatives for resettlement and reception for humanitarian reasons and better general migration management."

And further: ′′ Resettlement is also a central part of the Union's asylum and migration policy, as it provides safe, legal access routes to protect those in need and helps to save lives, reduce irregular migration and combat the business model of smuggling networks. Resettlement is also an important and integral part of a comprehensive migration concept when it comes to including partner countries across the entire spectrum of migration policy."

This is about crowds of millions: ′′ UNHCR has confirmed that global resettlement needs, with 1,44 million vulnerable, are still high in 2020 This figure should continue to rise in the coming years."

Dr. Gunnar Beck on this:
′′ The EU Commission plans the border between refugees and economic and social affairs. other migrants, and thus between legal and illegal migration, continue to undermine. In addition, the Geneva Convention on Refugees will now be leveraged through the back door itself, by relocating refugees who are already in safe third countries, in which they are supposed to apply for temporary international protection under Article 31 CSFs, at the expense of European taxpayers. should be. In addition, further stimulus will be created to ensure that migrants are heading even more directly into the EU. After all, current international law does not provide for the establishment of even legal migrants, but only temporary protection. The EU Commission, on the other hand, talks about resettlement and resettlement. So migrants should not only be protected, but should be specifically established in Europe. The EU Migration Pact is not an emergency or protection program, but a long-term settlement plan."

Bernhard Zimniok adds:
′′ This is an attempt to further push the increasing population exchange under the guise of alleged willingness to help and charity. The fact that the main problem in this context, the overpopulation of large parts of Africa and parts of Asia, is not even addressed and therefore even recognized as such, shows that the EU Commission has no interest in solving the migration problem in the long term."

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/.../recommendation-promoting...

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Very interesting, on some level I would expect the older EU supporters, who wanted to build a single european country out of the wreck of war would be against this stuff and shows that generation and its acolytes are very much a dying breed.

The new European, is Internationalist by default and have bought into the idea that the EU really is the worlds safe place and in the past we dismissed the idiocy of stuff like: 'The EU abolished war in Europe', but in truth some young people believed the sales pitch and have taken it to the next logical step.

After migration, they're may as well go the whole hog and reincorporate the French/Italian colonies back into Europe as member states... (Classic bureaucracy always keen on expansion)
 
I wonder if I may be so bold as to ask remain-preferrers if they are pleased to have their cause championed by the likes of @Higgs_bosun?

Genuine question.

Where do you think that Projekt Fear gets there "facts" from?
 
. . . . And the EU's problems get worse in 2021 when the UK pulls up the drawbridge by making it far more difficult to claim refuges status in the UK, making it easier to hoof failed claimants, and cutting off immediate access to benefits. So fewer economic migrants will come to the UK and more will stay in the EU.

A classic example of the benefits of diverging from EU law - and why the EU is so desperate to tie us to them. If the UK stems the flow of migrants, the cries to do the same in the EU will become ever louder.

Wordsmith
I wish I shared you optimism . . . but, I do not see a "simple" change in the UK laws, deterring the buggers from crossing the Channel :( !!
 

syrup

LE


The EU is still working on the basis that ultimately BoJo wants to do a deal based on a modified version of their terms; I don't think they can conceive that he's happy with WTO terms unless they perform a massive climb down. They couldn't understand why the UK wanted to leave; they can't understand why the UK doesn't want close ties with the EU.

(Clue: the EU is 15% of world trade and shrinking; the rest of the world is 85% of world trade and growing).

And there's another interesting factor in play: Covid 19. That's reduced the volume of export trade. As such the chances of disruption at the ports is lessening - we're going to see smaller queues of lorries and more leeway in getting systems working. In addition, as I've flagged before, the EU exports more to us that we export more to them; an interruption of trade provides an opportunity for UK manufacturers to grab more of the home market, more than balancing to loss of exports to the UK market. Any CEO of a business that hasn't recognised that a no-deal Brexit is a realistic possibility and prepared for it is an idiot unworthy of the post. My CEO is at heart a Remainer, but that's not stopped him thinking about how to cope with a no-deal Brexit and making the appropriate changes.

The EU thinks the UK want's to go down the road that they're signposting; BoJo is quietly travelling down an alternative route.

Wordsmith

As I said earlier in the thread
All the Brexit warnings about lack of supplies and empty shelves happened with COVID.
Logistics chains have been tested and have worked their way round stuff
Manufacturers know which lines to prioritise.
I keep hearing there's going to be massive queues in Kent for Lorries exporting to Europe
We get that every summer anyway when the French go on strike
I would suggest that the normal person in the street won't feel any pain 80% of everything will be business as usual

The E.U's worry is the 27 will fragment.
Do we honestly think the Dutch will leave flowers and vegetables to rot in Rotterdam docks
Or the Germans will let their cars not be sold here because Cyprus is upset about Halloumi.
Once the French Fishermen start on Macron he'll soon bend
 
Published by: AfD im EU-Parlament, on 14 October 2020.

+++ EU SCANDAL PLAN unveiled: MASS MIGRATION is WANTED! +++

This EU document has it in itself!

In a document published at the end of September this year, the EU Commission recommends that the member states create ' legal migration path s' ' for migrants to Europe.

What's more, the migrants should not only be temporarily protected, but should be permanently resettled. This is a ' moral duty ' ' - the eternal number with the guilty conscience!

Specifically, the Commission's recommendation states: ' The number of refugees and other persons in need of international protection is increasing worldwide. It is therefore necessary to strengthen the Union's ability to fulfill its moral duty to provide effective assistance. All Member States should participate in the Union's joint efforts to show solidarity to all those in need of international protection by providing legal access to the Union and extending protection zones outside the Union. '

Therefore, EU states should ′′ contribute to international initiatives for resettlement and reception for humanitarian reasons and better general migration management."

And further: ′′ Resettlement is also a central part of the Union's asylum and migration policy, as it provides safe, legal access routes to protect those in need and helps to save lives, reduce irregular migration and combat the business model of smuggling networks. Resettlement is also an important and integral part of a comprehensive migration concept when it comes to including partner countries across the entire spectrum of migration policy."

This is about crowds of millions: ′′ UNHCR has confirmed that global resettlement needs, with 1,44 million vulnerable, are still high in 2020 This figure should continue to rise in the coming years."

Dr. Gunnar Beck on this:
′′ The EU Commission plans the border between refugees and economic and social affairs. other migrants, and thus between legal and illegal migration, continue to undermine. In addition, the Geneva Convention on Refugees will now be leveraged through the back door itself, by relocating refugees who are already in safe third countries, in which they are supposed to apply for temporary international protection under Article 31 CSFs, at the expense of European taxpayers. should be. In addition, further stimulus will be created to ensure that migrants are heading even more directly into the EU. After all, current international law does not provide for the establishment of even legal migrants, but only temporary protection. The EU Commission, on the other hand, talks about resettlement and resettlement. So migrants should not only be protected, but should be specifically established in Europe. The EU Migration Pact is not an emergency or protection program, but a long-term settlement plan."

Bernhard Zimniok adds:
′′ This is an attempt to further push the increasing population exchange under the guise of alleged willingness to help and charity. The fact that the main problem in this context, the overpopulation of large parts of Africa and parts of Asia, is not even addressed and therefore even recognized as such, shows that the EU Commission has no interest in solving the migration problem in the long term."

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/.../recommendation-promoting...

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Looks like an opportunity for the life threatened remainers to get a free ride to their beloved EU to me.
 
Where do you think that Projekt Fear gets there "facts" from?
The UN.
They have been in full ‘Hate the Western White Man’ mode for a few years now, laying the blame for the state of the planet at their feet. They seem to have ignored the humongous growth of China and of the damage that the former USSR has done to the planet, fostering poverty with communism.
The icing on the cake and the rush to change has been entirely in response to the Don, threatening to cut off their funding and walking out of the farce ‘Eco’ agreements that Obama signed them up to.
It’s my belief that a lot of money has changed hands between China and others and the now corrupted placemen at the UN.
 
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oldbaldy

LE
Moderator


The EU is still working on the basis that ultimately BoJo wants to do a deal based on a modified version of their terms; I don't think they can conceive that he's happy with WTO terms unless they perform a massive climb down. They couldn't understand why the UK wanted to leave; they can't understand why the UK doesn't want close ties with the EU.

(Clue: the EU is 15% of world trade and shrinking; the rest of the world is 85% of world trade and growing).

And there's another interesting factor in play: Covid 19. That's reduced the volume of export trade. As such the chances of disruption at the ports is lessening - we're going to see smaller queues of lorries and more leeway in getting systems working. In addition, as I've flagged before, the EU exports more to us that we export more to them; an interruption of trade provides an opportunity for UK manufacturers to grab more of the home market, more than balancing to loss of exports to the UK market. Any CEO of a business that hasn't recognised that a no-deal Brexit is a realistic possibility and prepared for it is an idiot unworthy of the post. My CEO is at heart a Remainer, but that's not stopped him thinking about how to cope with a no-deal Brexit and making the appropriate changes.

The EU thinks the UK want's to go down the road that they're signposting; BoJo is quietly travelling down an alternative route.

Wordsmith
Supply chains have been sorting themselves because of covid19 , more clothing being done over here & look at Ineos a factory to produce sanitiser up & running in just over a week, plastics companies retooled to produce screens for shops etc. The feet of foot will flourish.
 
As I said earlier in the thread
All the Brexit warnings about lack of supplies and empty shelves happened with COVID.
Logistics chains have been tested and have worked their way round stuff
Manufacturers know which lines to prioritise.
I keep hearing there's going to be massive queues in Kent for Lorries exporting to Europe
We get that every summer anyway when the French go on strike
I would suggest that the normal person in the street won't feel any pain 80% of everything will be business as usual

The E.U's worry is the 27 will fragment.
Do we honestly think the Dutch will leave flowers and vegetables to rot in Rotterdam docks
Or the Germans will let their cars not be sold here because Cyprus is upset about Halloumi.
Once the French Fishermen start on Macron he'll soon bend
Agreed 100%.

On the subject of Haloumi, Aldi now do UK made 'Grilling Cheese', which is exactly the same, so they have already done away with the, 'you can only buy this cheese from us' b0llocks.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
I wish I shared you optimism . . . but, I do not see a "simple" change in the UK laws, deterring the buggers from crossing the Channel :( !!

It would result in changes to this official government page for a start:

What you'll get​

You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing​

You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Etc, etc.

If the law is changed, the advice on this page, and many others (such as the Citizens Advice Bureaux), can be changed. We set out what you can get if you make it to the UK - which is immeasurably better that in many of the $hitholes in which they currently live. If the advice says you'll get feck all on arrival and will be heaved straight onto a plane to the destination country of your choice while your asylum request is processed, you'll get less people coming.

(And don't call them asylum seekers - call them economic migrants. Because that's what they are - people fleeing their current $hitholes in search of a better life).

Wordsmith
 

oldbaldy

LE
Moderator
Published by: AfD im EU-Parlament, on 14 October 2020.

+++ EU SCANDAL PLAN unveiled: MASS MIGRATION is WANTED! +++

This EU document has it in itself!

In a document published at the end of September this year, the EU Commission recommends that the member states create ' legal migration path s' ' for migrants to Europe.

What's more, the migrants should not only be temporarily protected, but should be permanently resettled. This is a ' moral duty ' ' - the eternal number with the guilty conscience!

Specifically, the Commission's recommendation states: ' The number of refugees and other persons in need of international protection is increasing worldwide. It is therefore necessary to strengthen the Union's ability to fulfill its moral duty to provide effective assistance. All Member States should participate in the Union's joint efforts to show solidarity to all those in need of international protection by providing legal access to the Union and extending protection zones outside the Union. '

Therefore, EU states should ′′ contribute to international initiatives for resettlement and reception for humanitarian reasons and better general migration management."

And further: ′′ Resettlement is also a central part of the Union's asylum and migration policy, as it provides safe, legal access routes to protect those in need and helps to save lives, reduce irregular migration and combat the business model of smuggling networks. Resettlement is also an important and integral part of a comprehensive migration concept when it comes to including partner countries across the entire spectrum of migration policy."

This is about crowds of millions: ′′ UNHCR has confirmed that global resettlement needs, with 1,44 million vulnerable, are still high in 2020 This figure should continue to rise in the coming years."

Dr. Gunnar Beck on this:
′′ The EU Commission plans the border between refugees and economic and social affairs. other migrants, and thus between legal and illegal migration, continue to undermine. In addition, the Geneva Convention on Refugees will now be leveraged through the back door itself, by relocating refugees who are already in safe third countries, in which they are supposed to apply for temporary international protection under Article 31 CSFs, at the expense of European taxpayers. should be. In addition, further stimulus will be created to ensure that migrants are heading even more directly into the EU. After all, current international law does not provide for the establishment of even legal migrants, but only temporary protection. The EU Commission, on the other hand, talks about resettlement and resettlement. So migrants should not only be protected, but should be specifically established in Europe. The EU Migration Pact is not an emergency or protection program, but a long-term settlement plan."

Bernhard Zimniok adds:
′′ This is an attempt to further push the increasing population exchange under the guise of alleged willingness to help and charity. The fact that the main problem in this context, the overpopulation of large parts of Africa and parts of Asia, is not even addressed and therefore even recognized as such, shows that the EU Commission has no interest in solving the migration problem in the long term."

Source: https://ec.europa.eu/.../recommendation-promoting...

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Kalergi plan anyone
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Maybe not but she's determined to make it easier to send those not entitled to be here back to whence they came.

There's also the points based immigration system, which will make it clear that it is unlikely that if you are unskilled, you will have the legal right to work in the UK. We have enough of our own unskilled seeking work.

(And we'll happily put you on a flight to the destination country of your choice if you got here illegally....)

Wordsmith
 

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