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What now for the EU ?

Dread

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Hungary has kept its currency (the Forint) and has zero desire to join the Euro.

The moment the EU turn up and ask Hungary to be a net contributor to the EU funds is the day Hungary leaves the EU.

As an aside, the EU has done more to damage democracy in the region than any other force. It has thrown money at kleptocrats in Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria. These leaders (of all political colours) have used the funds to enrich themselves and their allies, cementing their power while using the money to pay for attacks on their political opponents and to influence elections beyond what would normally be considered legal in most countries.

In Hungary, the richest man in the country is a former gas-fitter from a small buttfück nowhere village called Felcsút, where he was mayor. His neighbour happened to be Victor Orban. If there is a government contract going (nearly all 50% paid for by the EU), then one of the companies of Lőrinc Mészáros (the gas fitter) will win it. Last year he paid himself over EUR 350 million. He is what the Hungarians call a "straw man": when Orban retires then a significant part of the Mészáros cash will mysteriously flow into Orban's bank accounts and those of his family. It's a Hungarian tradition, and the socialists were no better.
 

Wordsmith

LE
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And about f---ing time too.

Asylum seekers who enter the UK from Europe face being rejected after Brexit under a shake-up planned by Priti Patel. The Home Secretary is proposing legal changes that would mean asylum claims by migrants who come through the EU and enter the UK illegally will be deemed “inadmissible” once the UK finally leaves the EU at the end of this year.

Which should stem the flow across the channel. Automatic asylum failure if caught. For good measure take fingerprints and DNA upon capture - if a second attempt to claim asylum is made, even though it might be via a legal route this time - still hoof. One strike and you're out.

Wordsmith
 

Tyk

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Other countries will sit on the fence until they see how the UK does outside of the EU. If we significantly outperform the EU, other countries will follow us out.

Which is why the EU is so determined to impose a deal on us that would cripple our economic prospects.

Wordsmith

It's possible, but far from certain, unless the EU hits a seriously rocky patch. I'm more inclined to think that the likes of Italy will leave due to the financial stress of the Euro, lack of support over the illegals and covid.

I'm not sure what the general populations of a lot of the member states actually think of the EU, I'm pretty sure that the Brits were more sceptical than most. At NATO people from all over the EU member states were pretty surprised by the Brexit decision.

Hungary has kept its currency (the Forint) and has zero desire to join the Euro.

The moment the EU turn up and ask Hungary to be a net contributor to the EU funds is the day Hungary leaves the EU.

As an aside, the EU has done more to damage democracy in the region than any other force. It has thrown money at kleptocrats in Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria. These leaders (of all political colours) have used the funds to enrich themselves and their allies, cementing their power while using the money to pay for attacks on their political opponents and to influence elections beyond what would normally be considered legal in most countries.

In Hungary, the richest man in the country is a former gas-fitter from a small buttfück nowhere village called Felcsút, where he was mayor. His neighbour happened to be Victor Orban. If there is a government contract going (nearly all 50% paid for by the EU), then one of the companies of Lőrinc Mészáros (the gas fitter) will win it. Last year he paid himself over EUR 350 million. He is what the Hungarians call a "straw man": when Orban retires then a significant part of the Mészáros cash will mysteriously flow into Orban's bank accounts and those of his family. It's a Hungarian tradition, and the socialists were no better.

I agree if Hungary saw an end to the EU funded gravy train I think a rapid exit would be on the cards, they're definitely in it for the biscuits.
 
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Tyk

LE
And about f---ing time too.



Which should stem the flow across the channel. Automatic asylum failure if caught. For good measure take fingerprints and DNA upon capture - if a second attempt to claim asylum is made, even though it might be via a legal route this time - still hoof. One strike and you're out.

Wordsmith

Indeed, about time.

I have absolutely no issues with genuine asylum seekers that enter the UK via a legal route that doesn't pass through multiple safe countries, admittedly that excludes anyone that doesn't fly or sail direct from Africa.
 
I agree if Hungary saw an end to the EU funded gravy train I think a rapid exit would be on the cards, they're definitely in it for the biscuits.
And probably Poland once they have to start paying in and the CAP subsidies finish. I wonder what the mood in Denmark is like? They were always the most Euro-sceptic after the UK. Even before we both joined the EU/EEC back in 1973 the UK was one of the largest markets for their farm produce. I wonder how that will be affected?
 
And about f---ing time too.



Which should stem the flow across the channel. Automatic asylum failure if caught. For good measure take fingerprints and DNA upon capture - if a second attempt to claim asylum is made, even though it might be via a legal route this time - still hoof. One strike and you're out.

Wordsmith
They will be moaning about being sent to St Helena and how unsuitable it is. FFS it was good enough for Napoleon and he was an Emperor. Other old boys are Dinuzulu kaCetshwayo, Piet Cronje and 5,000 of his Boer mates.
 
Overall, Chile possesses the largest confirmed lithium reserves in the world, with over 7.5 million tons of the element. By that estimate, the country hosts roughly five times more lithium than Australia, which features the second-largest reserves.
Lithium is currently produced mainly from underground brine deposits, with the main reserves being in Chile, Bolivia, and Argentina.

Lithium is also present as solid ores in many places, but only a small proportion is produced that way because brine wells are cheaper.

Take any figures of solid ore Lithium resources with a very large grain of salt. Not many people are looking for them because brine wells are cheaper and it wouldn't be profitable to mine the solid ores, so why spend money looking for them?

If lithium prices rise sufficiently to make conventional mining profitable, then people will start looking for it and finding more of it.
 
You have heard of the DUP and their fondness for following in the Conservatives footsteps, no matter where they go. Try and keep up.
Stormont's a sideshow for the forseeable future.

I would have thought you'd be busy enough preparing Kent for the invasion of Customs people, lorry drivers, car park builders and portacabin siting consultants

Only the other week uk gov were offering preferential routes, treatment and parking for Irish transport using the landbridge, if the irish interceded with Brussels, probably over the recent fishing offer.

And then you woke up Skid.
 
You mean like BMW who intend sourcing all their batteries from China?

They will live to regret that especially as one of the worlds largest sources of environmentally acceptable mined and refined lithium (a key battery component) will be?

Cornwall.
Meh.

IIRC the amount potentially extractable doesn't meet the UK's future EV needs, even more so if large scale capacitors/storage batteries across the grid become feasible.

Also, cheaper lithium from overseas may under cut UK production costs.

Energy transfers (I.e wood to coal, coal to oil, oil to gas) have 2 key elements; an increase in energy density and a cheaper cost. (Aka more bang for your energy buck).

Renewables & batteries offer neither.
 
You have heard of the DUP and their fondness for following in the Conservatives footsteps, no matter where they go. Try and keep up.
Stormont's a sideshow for the forseeable future.

I would have thought you'd be busy enough preparing Kent for the invasion of Customs people, lorry drivers, car park builders and portacabin siting consultants

Only the other week uk gov were offering preferential routes, treatment and parking for Irish transport using the landbridge, if the irish interceded with Brussels, probably over the recent fishing offer.
Skid, do stop this nonsense, and try to get your head around the fact that the WA will be modified to suit. Now is Ireland going to introduce a border control using Covid as an excuse?
 
Hungary has kept its currency (the Forint) and has zero desire to join the Euro.

The moment the EU turn up and ask Hungary to be a net contributor to the EU funds is the day Hungary leaves the EU.

As an aside, the EU has done more to damage democracy in the region than any other force. It has thrown money at kleptocrats in Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria. These leaders (of all political colours) have used the funds to enrich themselves and their allies, cementing their power while using the money to pay for attacks on their political opponents and to influence elections beyond what would normally be considered legal in most countries.

In Hungary, the richest man in the country is a former gas-fitter from a small buttfück nowhere village called Felcsút, where he was mayor. His neighbour happened to be Victor Orban. If there is a government contract going (nearly all 50% paid for by the EU), then one of the companies of Lőrinc Mészáros (the gas fitter) will win it. Last year he paid himself over EUR 350 million. He is what the Hungarians call a "straw man": when Orban retires then a significant part of the Mészáros cash will mysteriously flow into Orban's bank accounts and those of his family. It's a Hungarian tradition, and the socialists were no better.
As well as the economic oligarchy that exploited the end of communism, you also have the new breed of politician, who has seriously profited from having good relations with Brussels and where our version in the civil service is mucky and more influence than fully corrupt, the impression you get on the continent is they're are fully paid up agents of brussels.
 
As well as the economic oligarchy that exploited the end of communism, you also have the new breed of politician, who has seriously profited from having good relations with Brussels and where our version in the civil service is mucky and more influence than fully corrupt, the impression you get on the continent is they're are fully paid up agents of brussels.

Plenty of brown envelopes have been dished out here in the UK too...
 

Dread

LE
As well as the economic oligarchy that exploited the end of communism, you also have the new breed of politician, who has seriously profited from having good relations with Brussels and where our version in the civil service is mucky and more influence than fully corrupt, the impression you get on the continent is they're are fully paid up agents of brussels.
Paid up agents of Brussels while the money flows: those holidays on large yachts don't pay for themselves you know! (several senior Hungarian politicians were tracked this summer enjoying cruising holidays in Croatia, one after another, on a rather grand charter cruiser that normally costs around EUR 100,000 per week to rent: the maximum salary of the Prime Minister is EUR 65,000 per annum.)
 

anglo

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Empty and meaningless comment from Orban then. Any other one note wonders out there admiring our Brexit nosedive?

Salvini is usually quoted as being a fan until he has to get up and apologise, reassuring his people that he's not ditching the Euro or thinking of leaving the Eu.
His fortunes have suffered of late.

That French Woman, Le Pen. She makes a lot of noise before getting a kicking at election (after election, and after election, like her dad)

Talk is cheap. I don't see any other Eu countries following our lead.
Not without losing a load of support.

You'd have thought after all this time, having seen the marvellous success we've made of Brexiting there would be people queuing up to join us.

Like during WW2, we could have brexit governments in exile all organising the freedom of their homelands. Removing the er Brussels belgian loafer from their necks.

Given the Brexit fondness for WW2, it'll be like early 1944, needing special passes to get anywhere near Dover.
What a load of crap you post
 
Plenty of brown envelopes have been dished out here in the UK too...
True enough, but I tend to think our corruption is a mite more sophisticated and opaque. On the continent, the media and politics appear rather more brazen and essentially wrap themselves in the EU flag and any dissent is automatically deemed fascist (the label only partly worked in the UK against farage).

Look at Dublin as an example of a city bought and paid for, by both big business dodging tax and Brussels.
 
True enough, but I tend to think our corruption is a mite more sophisticated and opaque. On the continent, the media and politics appear rather more brazen and essentially wrap themselves in the EU flag and any dissent is automatically deemed fascist (the label only partly worked in the UK against farage).

As one of my contacts said to me recently, those big houses in Oxfordshire don't pay for themselves on an MPs' salary or Peers' daily expenses.
 
As one of my contacts said to me recently, those big houses in Oxfordshire don't pay for themselves on an MPs' salary or Peers' daily expenses.

Whilst I have no doubt that some UK Politicians have indulged in what we would call corruption / corrupt practices, how many Politicians / Peers actually live solely on an MP's wage or daily expenses ?

I don't think anyone will beat the German MEP who was charging coachloads of visitors to EP.

Senior German MEP Elmar Brok faced scrutiny after he was reported to be charging European constituents 150 euros ($170) to visit him while also claiming expenses from Parliament for receiving guests.

According to a report published by Politico on Wednesday, Brok generated a surplus of some 18,000 euros ($20,400) in 2016 and 2017 by charging his visitors 150 euros per person, while receiving subsidies from the European Parliament at the same time.

They will not give up this gravy train easily.

That is why the answer to everything is more EU.
 
As one of my contacts said to me recently, those big houses in Oxfordshire don't pay for themselves on an MPs' salary or Peers' daily expenses.
The scarier thing is some in our senior echelons actually believed in the dream of a united europe and many more, were willing to go along to get along, as it made financial sense to not rock the boat... But a third type is the practical people who see a potemkin village in brussels and buy into it.

True story:-
Had a mate, hardcore labour type very eurosceptic who fell out with the party over the iraq war and joined the lib dems... When the lib dems won power in Newcastle he did alright and got invited to brussels several times a year and within a few years saw how wonderful it was bringing people together blather blather blather.

When I pointed out to him, that Brussels will put on a good show for its potential converts and reference to potemkin went right over his head.
 
And about f---ing time too.



Which should stem the flow across the channel. Automatic asylum failure if caught. For good measure take fingerprints and DNA upon capture - if a second attempt to claim asylum is made, even though it might be via a legal route this time - still hoof. One strike and you're out.

Wordsmith
Very similar to the Australian model. All they need now is a couple of islands with shitty living conditions for the inmates and a hostile native mob who have no compunction in topping you if you escape from the detention centre.
 

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