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What now for the EU ?

Wordsmith

LE
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Comes from the Portuguese 'vin' (wine) and 'd'alho' (of garlic). It's believed that the Portuguese wine turned rather vinegary on its route down to India, and that is why modern vindaloos (or 'vin d'alhos) largely comprise garlic and vinegar.

How's that for thread drift!

Going off topic here, but one of the leading French admirals of the 1780's was Le Baillie de Suffren.

He was widely known as 'Admiral Satan' because he could eat curries so hot that no-one else could take more than a few mouthfuls.

A most un-French admiral - he stood up and fought rather than legging it for the nearest port.

Wordsmith
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
There's not 25,000 to 30,000 business lobbyists in Brussels for no reason.


It makes me wonder why so many Labour supporters/members love the EU so much. Like they think it's some kind of humanitarian venture who puts the needs of the people first. And not some great gravy train that enables big business to get richer while increasing job insecurity for the Great Unwashed.

As multiple Remainers on Arrse have demonstrated, they have little or no experience or understanding of what the EU is or how it works.

The EU is essentially a left of centre, Franco-German political sheet anchor which delivers the New Labour social settlement without having to bother unduly with the UK's democratic process, in return for a considerable fee.

The EU also offers a corporatist approach to business which is extremely useful for those organisations big enough and rich enough to game the system.

Those two factors broadly explain the make up of the Remain constituency - together those who supported Remain because they were told it was what clever people did, and who are now grievously disillusioned.
 
As multiple Remainers on Arrse have demonstrated, they have little or no experience or understanding of what the EU is or how it works.

The EU is essentially a left of centre, Franco-German political sheet anchor which delivers the New Labour social settlement without having to bother unduly with the UK's democratic process, in return for a considerable fee.

The EU also offers a corporatist approach to business which is extremely useful for those organisations big enough and rich enough to game the system.

Those two factors broadly explain the make up of the Remain constituency - together those who supported Remain because they were told it was what clever people did, and who are now grievously disillusioned.

But with leaving we have no means of reforming from within.....
 
But with leaving we have no means of reforming from within.....

We never stood a chance when we were a member, they're now going to have to reform or accept the eventual death of 'The Project'

So by leaving we will be forcing the question
 
Paging @PhotEx - subject matter expert required.

Wordsmith :smile:

tis true

indian take on a traditional Portuguese dish.

Goan cooks make a truly ace curry, ask @endure


unlike Lamb tikka masala which isn’t anything to do with any cuisine bar curried Heinz tomato soup.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
But with leaving we have no means of reforming from within.....


We are at our most effective when reforming Europe from without :), as these gentlemen can attest:

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The European Union and Britain need to accelerate talks on a future trade deal since it was impossible to rule out there being insufficient progress in the talks, leading to a no-deal outcome, European Commission Vice President Valdis Dombrovskis said on Monday.


4 years after the Referendum and a couple of months before the 31 December and some bright spark from the EU thinks that talks need to be accelerated :D :D
 
But with leaving we have no means of reforming from within.....


Hmm.. my bold "unpossible", Farage did a very good expose on the farce of EU voting on bills. Which I cant find now, He called it callisthenics! Any proposals only come from the "commissars" sorry commissioners NOT the MEP's, no discussion or amendments are allowed, just a yes, no or abstention.
This is a another clip showing how little time is allowed ...
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
All done in Grand Alliances involving other nations.

The most important of which, in the most recent example, have never been members of the EU and are not likely to become so. Which makes the pro-Brexit point rather well. Thank you.
 
Hmm.. my bold "unpossible", Farage did a very good expose on the farce of EU voting on bills. Which I cant find now, He called it callisthenics! Any proposals only come from the "commissars" sorry commissioners NOT the MEP's, no discussion or amendments are allowed, just a yes, no or abstention.
This is a another clip showing how little time is allowed ...
Always reminded me of the old soviet way of doing things.........
 
All done in Grand Alliances involving other nations.

Well the last European Union formed by Germany over reached itself, just like the current German project has
 
Another area where the EU shows its weakness is the matter of refugees. Following the recent events in Lesbos all agreed that something needs to be done, not that anyone was actually prepared to do anything. In Germany there were two schools of thought, one said this is a european problem and needs to solved as a community instead of isolated go it alone actions, the other said Germany should take the lead and admit some of the refugees. After much soul searching 1500 ish refugees whose applications as such had been approved were accepted. This resulted in some saying that the other EU members would just sit back and let Germany get on with it. Compared to other problems that the EU has had this one is relatively minor, but the EU still can't get its collective Arrse in gear.
 

Auld-Yin

ADC
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Always reminded me of the old soviet way of doing things.........
Joseph Stalin said some version of "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Hmm.. my bold "unpossible", Farage did a very good expose on the farce of EU voting on bills. Which I cant find now, He called it callisthenics! Any proposals only come from the "commissars" sorry commissioners NOT the MEP's, no discussion or amendments are allowed, just a yes, no or abstention.
This is a another clip showing how little time is allowed ...

Yep - the European Commission proposes all legislation and the European Parliament passes/rejects it.

Although you will look for anything the European Parliament has actually rejected.

MEP's are handsomely paid - as the EU's own website attests.

The monthly gross MEP salary, under the single statute, is €8,932,86 (as of 1 July 2019).

Which doesn't sound as bad as an annual salary of €107,195 a year (before tax), plus unaudited expenses.

They also get a pension of 3.5% of salary per year served, which means a single 4 year term as an MEP will net you an annual pension of €15,007 a year.
Members are entitled to an old-age pension when they turn 63. The pension equals 3.5% of the salary for each full year in office

4 years service brings you a pension of £13,806 a year. In the UK, you'd have to put £345,000 into a pension pot to get that. Typically for the EU, the $hit is hidden under the carpet - the pension effectively puts 80% on an MEP's headline salary. Chuck in the unaudited expenses and they're probably getting the equivalent of close to €200,000 a year.

MEP's are elected by PR, and their respective parties determine the order they will go on that parties slate. If you're from a pro-EU party and you rock the boat, you're liable to be pushed down the slate into an unelectable position. So the voters themselves can't hoof a supine MEP, not elect a maverick one.

The phrase "rotten borough" comes to mind.

Wordsmith
 
Hmm.. my bold "unpossible", Farage did a very good expose on the farce of EU voting on bills. Which I cant find now, He called it callisthenics! Any proposals only come from the "commissars" sorry commissioners NOT the MEP's, no discussion or amendments are allowed, just a yes, no or abstention.
This is a another clip showing how little time is allowed ...

Reminds me od 16 RA AD, REME had more JNCOs ( Lots of Techs) than the Gunners but everything was past ie Mess Dress
 
We never stood a chance when we were a member, they're now going to have to reform or accept the eventual death of 'The Project'
So by leaving we will be forcing the question

From 9 years ago, but it is the same old stress areas and the same old countries mentioned in this, and the problems from way back then are still not going away.
The debts they mention have just passed on to yet another generation to pay off by those 9 years passing by and Rockall being done.
These boys explain what will happen now for the EU in very few words.

 

BobbHope

War Hero
In this case - no. Marcon wants a new EU treaty with further powers devolved from member states to the EU - which will really open the fracture lines between the states in the EU who want more integration and those who don't. Thee will be much launching of teddies from the pram by both sides.

But penny to a pound, the 'compromise' that will result will lend up in the EU ( i.e. France) getting more powers - probably by the EU moving to QMV in areas that can presently be vetoed by member states.

This is the fuster cluck we've escaped.

Wordsmith

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Humperdoo

Clanker
Muahahahhahahahahhahahaha!

You broken-brained mong. You are Baglock. Well done for outing yourself.

Do you even understand what PPP is? It's a measure that equalises an Indian buying some local food at EUR 0.05 in Mumbai to the cost of a Swiss person paying EUR 25 for similar in Geneva. PPP is utterly useless for any international comparison of economies because guess what? Just because Sanjay in Bangalore can buy a chapatti for 1 cent, doesn't mean he's able to buy a Mercedes E class for EUR 200 (or a laptop, or any other internationally traded and manufactured item).

Let's see how the World Bank (your source for your bullshit above) has done in previous projections (bearing in mind they and the IMF have acknowledged to having to repeatedly revise their projections of the UK upwards because they allowed their pro-EU mindset to join 'project fear', all of which prognostications have proven false. Here's one from 2010:
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Got that? According to the World Bank in just over 3 years the largest economies would be China, USA, India, Japan, Indonesia, Russia, Germany, Brazil, UK and then France in that order.

Let's look at reality:
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So in just over 3 years' time, will China overtake America? Only if Biden is elected, otherwise zero chance. Do you think China's society and political situation are so stable as to allow constant high growth until 2050? (only a retard would think so). You think India is going to be knocking on America's arse in 3 years? How is Indonesia doing? (Clue: shite). Is Russia going to double its economy in 3 years? Is it bunnies. Same as with Mexico: busy destroying itself in a narco-war. The World Bank and IMF have proven themselves extremely adept at creating utterly shite projections and forecasts that are lapped up by retards like you.

Your original idiot post, claiming that Russia, Brazil, etc. would be the second tier is laughable because you are aware (if you have the cognitive capacity to be aware of anything) that the BRIC group of countries was created by Goldman Sachs as a marketing scam to sell shite investments and offload non-performing bonds to the gullible?

You can't even count to potato you pontificating simpleton.
Agreed, although I never understood the wankathon over India. (maybe it's to do with population size?) A country so heavily corrupt, stuck in a caste system and surrounded by enemies including recent border skirmishes with China. Can't see them usurping the US anytime soon.
 

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