What now for the EU ?

Wordsmith

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Why don't remainers want to talk about the future of the EU?
Because it would be a factually based discussion. Here is the EU's list of the major treaties governing it.


You could then ask the question (a) "what powers have been transferred from sovereign states the the EU" and (b) "what powers have been transferred back"?

The answers would be (a) lots and (b) none.

You could also point them to multiple economic papers on the future of the euro - the example below was authored by a Nobel prize winner in economics: Joseph Stiglitz

(Who vastly academically outranks Lance Sapper Crusty PhD)

Europe has not done well in the years since the 2008 crisis, with a double dip recession and a recovery far slower than that of the US from whence the crisis came. Among the key reasons for this dismal performance is the euro, or more precisely, the structure of the Eurozone, the institutions, rules, and regulations that were created to ensure growth and stability of a single currency amongst a diverse set of countries—and the failure to do some of the things (like the establishment of a common deposit insurance system) that should have been done. The paper describes how Europe created a divergent system, with increasing disparities between the richer and poorer countries, and the role of certain beliefs, prevalent at the time, but since questioned, about what makes for good economic performance.
Which they won't like discussing because papers on the euro, whether they are written by pro or anti-EU authors, are unanimous in saying that for the euro to function, large amounts of further sovereignty must be transferred to Brussels, including the right for Brussels to set member states budgets, fine them it if they fail to meet the budget and organise a transfer of wealth from richer to poorer regions. (The latter is already being done by debt mutualisation - something now being challenged by the German Constitutional Court as being in breach of EU law).

Remainers can't afford a fact based discussion because the undeniable facts stated above are damning and impossible to explain away by a reasoned and intellectually coherent case.

Wordsmith
 

Wordsmith

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No wriggling? Ha-ha indeed. Just look what you posted at #4238.

The NHS really won't be getting £350m due to our leaving the EU,


No mention of "per week". You simply screwed up, I called you out by posting:

Except you are wrong. I would suggest the NHS will be getting significantly more than £350m as a result of the UK leaving the EU. ( Stand by for some Bravo_Bravo wriggling here, chaps)

And, precisely as predicted, Mr Squirmywriggle wriggled like a wriggly thing"!!!!
Watch it - he'll retaliate by posting a picture of a crying baby.

And that'll' see you put firmly in your place.

Wordsmith
 

JuniorBod

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Because it would be a factually based discussion. Here is the EU's list of the major treaties governing it.


You could then ask the question (a) "what powers have been transferred from sovereign states the the EU" and (b) "what powers have been transferred back"?

The answers would be (a) lots and (b) none.

You could also point them to multiple economic papers on the future of the euro - the example below was authored by a Nobel prize winner in economics: Joseph Stiglitz

(Who vastly academically outranks Lance Sapper Crusty PhD)



Which they won't like discussing because papers on the euro, whether they are written by pro or anti-EU authors, are unanimous in saying that for the euro to function, large amounts of further sovereignty must be transferred to Brussels, including the right for Brussels to set member states budgets, fine them it if they fail to meet the budget and organise a transfer of wealth from richer to poorer regions. (The latter is already being done by debt mutualisation - something now being challenged by the German Constitutional Court as being in breach of EU law).

Remainers can't afford a fact based discussion because the undeniable facts stated above are damning and impossible to explain away by a reasoned and intellectually coherent case.

Wordsmith
That would need a new treaty then?

That would need to be ratified by referendum in certain countries?....:smile:

JB
 
No wriggling? Ha-ha indeed. Just look what you posted at #4238.

The NHS really won't be getting £350m due to our leaving the EU,


No mention of "per week". You simply screwed up, I called you out by posting:

Except you are wrong. I would suggest the NHS will be getting significantly more than £350m as a result of the UK leaving the EU. ( Stand by for some Bravo_Bravo wriggling here, chaps)

And, precisely as predicted, Mr Squirmywriggle wriggled like a wriggly thing"!!!!
I just countered your hypothesis with what will be to you an incredibly annoying series of analytic articles demonstrating you are talking from a bodily orifice not normally associated with conversation.
 

Auld-Yin

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Do you have access to the internet?

Not yet ran out ( not that lists are kept by HMG), but danger close.




Have you actually read those links? I rather doubt it.

Here is a flavour
"While some have suggested this could be related to Brexit, Sandra Gidley from the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, told i that this issue has been ongoing for nearly a decade."
 
Have you actually read those links? I rather doubt it.

Here is a flavour
"While some have suggested this could be related to Brexit, Sandra Gidley from the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, told i that this issue has been ongoing for nearly a decade."

It's all cumulative.
 
Will that be an article written by a hack or a loggie?

So a loggie also has to write up what qualified supply chain experts have to say now? So you are also an expert in public communication too? A media specialist?

Amazing if so. Your talents and final word on just about any topic truly knows no bounds - medicine, operations research, how to run a supply chain stretching across the whole of Europe, and now communications. A person of many talents indeed.
 
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So a loggie also has to write up what qualified supply chain experts have to say now? So you are also an expert in public communication too? A media specialist?

Amazing if so. Your talents and final word on just about any topic truly knows no bounds - medicine, operations research, how to run a supply chain stretching across the whole of Europe, and now communications. A person of many talents indeed.
Amazing.
 

Oyibo

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So a loggie also has to write up what qualified supply chain experts have to say now? So you are also an expert in public communication too? A media specialist?

Amazing if so. Your talents and final word on just about any topic truly knows no bounds - medicine, operations research, how to run a supply chain stretching across the whole of Europe, and now communications. A person of many talents indeed.
What do you think about the future of the EU @amazing__lobster ? Good, bad, indifferent? Why?
 
Have you actually read those links? I rather doubt it.

Here is a flavour
"While some have suggested this could be related to Brexit, Sandra Gidley from the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, told i that this issue has been ongoing for nearly a decade."
Have you?

I gave a selection of links in reply, showing the effect of leaving the EU on drug supplies.
Some articles gave air to differing and supplemental views.

Point remains.
 

Auld-Yin

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Have you?

I gave a selection of links in reply, showing the effect of leaving the EU on drug supplies.
Some articles gave air to differing and supplemental views.

Point remains.
No you didn't. Go back, read them and note that Brexit is not the issue they discuss.

What a troll you are.
 

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