What now for the EU ?

Auld-Yin

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When a cnut turns up on site, why do you daft cnuts bother to argue with the troll ?

It just encourages the cnut to stick around.......

Put it on ignore you daft cnuts, and hopefully it will f*ck off somewhere else.......
Right! That's you on ignore!!!!




Not really
 

humble

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It would depend on the form of the tests.

If I was tested on microbiology, my PHD niece would easily win. If it was building a working PC from components, I would win.

There was a discussion recently on ARRSE about IQ tests and how they are unreliable as a test of intelligence as they favour those who are used to IQ tests.
Old news.
I would like to see how many people would be happy if their Doctors and Surgeons were chosen from the ranks of those who can repair a car based on watching a couple of You Tube films. This all plays into the anti-science agenda of the (mainly) low educational standard populist politicians. It a right-wing thing sourced from within the ranks of those who self-medicate with a horse de-wormer and drink their bleach neat.
 
Old news.
I would like to see how many people would be happy if their Doctors and Surgeons were chosen from the ranks of those who can repair a car based on watching a couple of You Tube films. This all plays into the anti-science agenda of the (mainly) low educational standard populist politicians. It a right-wing thing sourced from within the ranks of those who self-medicate with a horse de-wormer and drink their bleach neat.

Your village called. They said would you mind returning immediately as they miss you.
 
Old news.
I would like to see how many people would be happy if their Doctors and Surgeons were chosen from the ranks of those who can repair a car based on watching a couple of You Tube films. This all plays into the anti-science agenda of the (mainly) low educational standard populist politicians. It a right-wing thing sourced from within the ranks of those who self-medicate with a horse de-wormer and drink their bleach neat.

I find that if I politely debate long enough, the Continuity Remainer’s true hatred always comes through, usually using tired old cliches to spew their chauvinism and bigotry.

Low education - tick.
populist - tick.
right-wing - tick (also ignoring the large numbers of left-wing Leave supporters).
Anti-expert - tick.
Anti-vax - tick.

You are the perfect example of why Remain lost.

I’ll withdraw from the discussion now as I’ve now achieved my aim. Thanks for your help in exposing your arrogance and hatred. :D
 

Brotherton Lad

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I used to work for a Lt Cdr (RN) who had a degree in computer science (he was an RN schoolie in an IT post). He was a brilliant guy, really nice, could even tell you how, at the atomic level, data moved around the computer. He was an absolute joy to work with.

However, he didn‘t have a clue how to install Windows or configure an Exchange Server account and relied on me (with my Geology ’A’ level) to actually keep the IT at 15 sites working.

Similarly, my niece is working towards her PHD (in microbiology). Again, absolutely brilliant, but useless at pub quizes.

Education does not automatically mean intelligence outside of their chosen field.

I suspect you don't understand my sense of humour.
 

anglo

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Old news.
I would like to see how many people would be happy if their Doctors and Surgeons were chosen from the ranks of those who can repair a car based on watching a couple of You Tube films. This all plays into the anti-science agenda of the (mainly) low educational standard populist politicians. It a right-wing thing sourced from within the ranks of those who self-medicate with a horse de-wormer and drink their bleach neat.
Would you like your car repaired from the ranks of Doctors and Surgeons
 
I suspect you don't understand my sense of humour.
Possibly. I tend to be literal, bad at picking up on non-verbal cues, and I take people at face value, so Grac’s jibe about Aspie might be true. Plus I just don’t care if I miss the subtleties in other people’s posts.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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FORMER_FYRDMAN

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I suspect you don't understand my sense of humour.

To quote Gandalf: "Few do".

To quote Beethoven: "Only the pure of heart can make good soup".

Win some, lose some I guess.
 
I have tried to interest our ciurrent government in setting up an organisation to promote Britian as a military history destination. I have even sert up a company to do this. Directory Home
If we have spilt from the EU because we have a different story to tell, why not invest in institutions to sell it. If the EU is selling the story of 1944-1990 , why arn't we selling 1940 I have written to about every politician with an interest in military hisotry, including several members from my own regiment. The only interest I have had was from fellow guide Patrick Mercer.

That Mercer is the only one to respond should tell you much?

Though I doubt it.

For all the beery talk on this forum about British History - there is no joined up post BREXIT narrative.

The Remainer zealot speaks . . .
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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True but what do you think the overall result would be if the intelligence of 1000 graduates was compared to that of 1000 non graduates.
Humour me and hazard a guess.
That implies that the intelligence of a graduate is higher than that of a non-graduate which, apart from being a most dubious assumption and subject to significant socio-economic variation and psychological review as to what type of intelligence, will earn the enmity of any educationalist worth their salt.
 
There is much confusion in the world about education and intelligence. Education is knowledge acquired in formal learning environments, such as school. Intelligence is that actual ability to learn, to acquire, assimilate, and use new knowledge.


We are taught from the time we first enter school to judge someone's intelligence by their education and their performance in such formal environments, also known as "book smarts". This is taught by words, actions, and attitudes, from both teachers and, later on, other students. This concept that education equals intelligence is pushed on us so hard that few people ever get totally past it, even as they grow older.


You Can Be Highly Intelligent Without Being Highly Educated


Two of the most intelligent people I've ever met did very poorly in school. One graduated, but just barely, and the other never finished high school. When it comes to learning anything that they don't associate with school, they learn fast… much, much faster than normal.


People of well above average intelligence sometimes do poorly in school due to boredom. They sit there in classes designed for the lowest common denominator which don't provide enough stimulation for them, so they become bored and stop paying attention. They are distracted by the smallest things. People of less intelligence, on the other hand may have more of their mind occupied by the class, and thus be less prone to boredom. They are also more likely to be aware that they need to work hard and study in order to do well, where smart people may feel that it's easy and not study even when they DO need it.


You Can Be Highly Educated Without Being Highly Intelligent


On the other hand, I have met people with advanced degrees, including doctorates, who are of no more than average intelligence. This is not a bad thing… they have shown that they are willing to put in the time and effort to master something that does not come easy to them. It does also show, however, that higher education is not proof of higher intelligence.


There are also certainly professions which require extensive training (education), but not extremely high intelligence. Your average family practictioner, for example, can operate just fine without needing to have a genius IQ. He is following established procedures, prescribing standard medications for conditions diagnosed by standardized methods. He needs the education to teach him those standards, but he is not creating the standards, just following them… so having average intelligence is not a big deal at all.


Conclusion


Education is not equal to intelligence, though it is often used as an external measure of it. Certain types of education can give you a pretty good idea that someone is at least of certain minimum intelligence (you can't actually be dumb and have an advanced degree in mathematics), but they don't provide a measure of how far beyond that minimum they are, and a lack of education says absolutely nothing about their intelligence.


And, by the way, neither education nor intelligence prevent you from doing stupid things. As far as I know, nothing in the world stops that.


Source: The Difference Between Intelligence And Education - A Miracle A Day
Intelligence is innate, and covers all fields.
Education, in both its senses ( from Latin educo, educare - to bring up, teach, educate - and educo, educere - to bring out, draw out) is the act of developing the innate intelligence to the maximum.
 

humble

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I find that if I politely debate long enough, the Continuity Remainer’s true hatred always comes through, usually using tired old cliches to spew their chauvinism and bigotry.

Low education - tick.
populist - tick.
right-wing - tick (also ignoring the large numbers of left-wing Leave supporters).
Anti-expert - tick.
Anti-vax - tick.

You are the perfect example of why Remain lost.

I’ll withdraw from the discussion now as I’ve now achieved my aim. Thanks for your help in exposing your arrogance and hatred. :D
Hey it is not my fault you don't like the conclusions of a post-vote survey done by one of the most ardent Brexiteers. His Brexit credentials are impeccable and so you can not traduce the survey (like one fool here tried to do) and so fall back on attempts to discredit IQ tests which have absolutely nothing to do with the survey conclusions.

So in brief:
1. The older you were the more likely you were to vote leave.
2. The lower your educational standards the more likely you were to vote leave.

Its the Brexiteers themselves who started complaining they were being called less intelligent but that was probably because their lower educational standards caused them to misread what they survey said.
So it is the Brexiteers running around decrying a survey they believe branded them less intelligent that is the problem. Focus your ire on them instead of shooting the messenger.
I can well understand why you wish to bow out. You have had your arse handed to you and wish to save what little of it that remains. No one is fooled by you declaring yourself the winner and then bolting down the tunnel half-way through your victory lap.
Off you go then and lick your wounds.
 
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humble

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That implies that the intelligence of a graduate is higher than that of a non-graduate which, apart from being a most dubious assumption and subject to significant socio-economic variation and psychological review as to what type of intelligence, will earn the enmity of any educationalist worth their salt.
That is your attempt to muddy the waters and so escape the conclusions of the post-vote survey.
Lets stop beating about the bush and admit it really , really pisses off the Leavers that they have been branded less formally educated (on average) than those who voted to remain and they will do or say anything in order to avoid the implications.
 

Dread

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You don't understand your sense of humour.
@Brotherton Lad 's sense of 'humour' is limited to serving wholegrain bread rolls with a cream of tomato soup, and white bread rolls with a rustic vegetable soup. Oh how he laughs at people who tilt the gazpacho bowl away from them, rather than toward.

@anglo One thing I've noticed about remainiacs crowing about how clever they are and that graduates were more likely to vote remain: they have never broken it down by discipline. I wonder why that is? Possibly because (and this is only a hypothesis of course), that the majority of those with a BSc were too busy working and not bothered enough to vote at all, while all those useless oxygen thieves with BA degrees in Socialist Tofu Knitting, Media Studies, and all the other multitude of shite created by the cünt Blair to destroy the education system, had the time to ask mummy to drive them to the polling station on the way back from the benefits office.
 

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