What now for the EU ?

syrup

LE
no, you are not, Biden is a stone cold racist as evidenced many times with things such as giving a eulogy at the KKK leaders (Richard bird) funeral as VP, and his assertation that if you dont vote Democrat then you aint Black - and then, this week we've seen the release of Hunter Bidens racist tweets using the 'N' word


All of which appears to be ignored by the media on the simple fact he's not Trump.
 
The battle may be won but the war continues. Large chunks of the Establishment were seriously embarrassed and given a very public lesson in the limits of their power. That's not something they've forgiven, they haven't made peace with the result and they are looking to get even - again, regardless of the wider cost to the country.

Look at the current support for the complete revision and distortion of this country's history
, together with the associated angst, and Remain hardliners in the Media, the Arts and Academia are extremely well represented, not least because it's a chance to attack things that many Brexiteers value . . . .

If they now find it acceptable to stoke racial tensions and provoke a cultural civil war that's probably not surprising but it makes them doubly dangerous and they should be called out at every opportunity for being the creatures they undoubtedly are.
Until reading your disturbing post, I had not previously recognised or realised any correlation between the two.

Now you mention it . . . it is so damn obvious
:( !!

Thank you.
 
You probably know history never repeats itself exactly. But, under the hood the motives are common enough and for some remainers they're have a lost cause/betrayal myth that will always cloud their judgement and it makes them very dangerous people.

You make some interesting observations and one could argue the medias current love affair with ANY story will do, to damage the Government. Like the Times Story on the supposed Biden slap to the UK Government, the hoped for vote in parliament over foreign aid, or even the kneeling England Players being booed are all played in a way to try and divide.
My opinion may be biased, but after reading a book about the 5 th column in Britain during WW2 recently


I couldn’t help but see some similarities with history.

1) the use of large german multinationals such as Siemens/BMW to promote a cause.
2) the wooing of the elite in society in order to gain support the cause.
3) key influencers in government fighting the cause from the inside.
4) the desire to damage your own nations sustainability for the cause.
5) the belief in the ‘the little people’ being too uneducated and racist to understand the benefits of the cause.
6) the ability to never except that the cause wasn’t as good as they first thought and a reluctance to change their original opinion.
7) the ability to always have an excuse to detract from positives that went away from the cause. We said this negative would happen, it didn’t, but it only didn’t happen because of something else so we were right but we can’t demonstrate it.

im not necessarily linking the EU to fascism, although there are quite a few similarities, but history does seem to show us, the the ruling elite quite often embrace political belief systems that are flawed but ultimately it’s the people that steer things. Facism had quite a lot of support in the U.K. in the mid thirties and to be honest seemed like viable option. The electorate began to turn away from it in the mid thirties as the masses began to understand the dangers of it, but the country was still split at the start of WW2. Once WW2 started, even the majority of those who believed in fascism realised they had to pick a side and turned against facism, but a hard core kept it up. Over time they moved on from where they were but there was an ever finishing pool of die hards to replace them until a decade later fascists were an extreme minority of fruit loops.

I suspect we’ll see the same happen in the U.K. the system is still full of pro EU supporters, but they’ll gradually retire and be replaced by people who will find it increasingly difficult to promote the benefits of the EU due to the way the EU is trying to punish the U.K. (it would’ve been a bit difficult to promote Mr Hitler to the masses once they’d seen how nasty he was but die hards always believe that you can force people into supporting their belief systems)

I feel proud of the U.K. we’ve had a chequered history. Done some great things and done some bad things. We’ve never embraced or lived under an autocratic system and we’ve always believed in and promoted (where we can) democracy and rule of law.
 
My opinion may be biased, but after reading a book about the 5 th column in Britain during WW2 recently


I couldn’t help but see some similarities with history.

1) the use of large german multinationals such as Siemens/BMW to promote a cause.
2) the wooing of the elite in society in order to gain support the cause.
3) key influencers in government fighting the cause from the inside.
4) the desire to damage your own nations sustainability for the cause.
5) the belief in the ‘the little people’ being too uneducated and racist to understand the benefits of the cause.
6) the ability to never except that the cause wasn’t as good as they first thought and a reluctance to change their original opinion.
7) the ability to always have an excuse to detract from positives that went away from the cause. We said this negative would happen, it didn’t, but it only didn’t happen because of something else so we were right but we can’t demonstrate it.

im not necessarily linking the EU to fascism, although there are quite a few similarities, but history does seem to show us, the the ruling elite quite often embrace political belief systems that are flawed but ultimately it’s the people that steer things. Facism had quite a lot of support in the U.K. in the mid thirties and to be honest seemed like viable option. The electorate began to turn away from it in the mid thirties as the masses began to understand the dangers of it, but the country was still split at the start of WW2. Once WW2 started, even the majority of those who believed in fascism realised they had to pick a side and turned against facism, but a hard core kept it up. Over time they moved on from where they were but there was an ever finishing pool of die hards to replace them until a decade later fascists were an extreme minority of fruit loops.

I suspect we’ll see the same happen in the U.K. the system is still full of pro EU supporters, but they’ll gradually retire and be replaced by people who will find it increasingly difficult to promote the benefits of the EU due to the way the EU is trying to punish the U.K. (it would’ve been a bit difficult to promote Mr Hitler to the masses once they’d seen how nasty he was but die hards always believe that you can force people into supporting their belief systems)

I feel proud of the U.K. we’ve had a chequered history. Done some great things and done some bad things. We’ve never embraced or lived under an autocratic system and we’ve always believed in and promoted (where we can) democracy and rule of law.

Socialism is the new fascism mate and the scourge of our lives - its rife in the EU
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Socialism is the new fascism mate and the scourge of our lives - its rife in the EU
Socialism is not the new Fascism, Fascism is a form of Socialism whereby the necessary solidarity for a Socialist settlement is based on national identity rather than class. That's why Lenin and Mussolini fell out and it's a long-standing element of Europe's political philosophical make-up with its origins in the Napoleonic Code and Bismarck's state socialism.

What we are currently contending with, both in terms of the EU and domestically, is a form of Socialism based on some sort of hybrid Continental/Corporatist identification, heavily informed by ultra-liberalism. This did not come out of a clear blue sky and it is firmly within the context of continental Europe's political history and philosophical direction of ideological travel.
 
Socialism is the new fascism mate and the scourge of our lives - its rife in the EU
Those who rule have no ideas. Those who are ruled, have plenty of ideas and sadly those who rule have a tendency to cherry pick some very bad ideas. At the minute the rulers have a kink for socialism with a emphasis on empathy rather than intellect.

To be fair the woke movement are very nice people, so long as your not making any effort to stand in the way of progress.
 
Socialism is not the new Fascism, Fascism is a form of Socialism whereby the necessary solidarity for a Socialist settlement is based on national identity rather than class. That's why Lenin and Mussolini fell out and it's a long-standing element of Europe's political philosophical make-up with its origins in the Napoleonic Code and Bismarck's state socialism.

What we are currently contending with, both in terms of the EU and domestically, is a form of Socialism based on some sort of hybrid Continental/Corporatist identification, heavily informed by ultra-liberalism. This did not come out of a clear blue sky and it is firmly within the context of continental Europe's political history and philosophical direction of ideological travel.

he was referring to fascism as at the root of many of the EU evils whereas the point I was making and you seem to agree with is, it is not fascism that is the problem now - it is socialism, in whatever form you want to call it but the fascism that remains nowadays is in tiny pockets and has negligible impact on our society whereas socialism is everywhere, often in lockstep with liberalism, rotting our countries from the inside out
 
Those who rule have no ideas. Those who are ruled, have plenty of ideas and sadly those who rule have a tendency to cherry pick some very bad ideas. At the minute the rulers have a kink for socialism with a emphasis on empathy rather than intellect.

To be fair the woke movement are very nice people, so long as your not making any effort to stand in the way of progress.

yes and no mate - the no being that the woke are very nice people when in actual fact we have more than ample evidence they are completely intolerant, vindictive, bullies and racist - their form of racism is that they decry anything they perceive as being a hinderance to black people eg voter id by assuming that black people are completely unable to gain an id because they are too thick or poor. These are also the same people who tend to think that they are superior to others simply because they have a college degree. In short they re the most dangerous group of people you can get, Smart stupid people
 
My nextdoor neighbour is a Septic; he grew up on a farm in Indiana, but his father's family were all hillbillies from West Virginia. He has described their origins as English and Scots-Irish, although his family name is Anglicised Norman French. On his mother's side, his American credentials are reinforced by the fact that his maternal grandmother was a full-blood Cherokee from Tennessee.
Does he wear a ball cap everywhere he goes in the warmer months?
 
Nine "Leaders" representing G7 states.

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The Seven member states, plus two - yes two - places for the EU.


Von der Leyen as President European Commission, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council.
The difference being . . . . . ?
 
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My nextdoor neighbour is a Septic; he grew up on a farm in Indiana, but his father's family were all hillbillies from West Virginia. He has described their origins as English and Scots-Irish, although his family name is Anglicised Norman French. On his mother's side, his American credentials are reinforced by the fact that his maternal grandmother was a full-blood Cherokee from Tennessee.

So what's he doing in Wiltshire ? Does Indiana Want Him, and He Can't Go Back There ?

 

philc

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KNikne "Leaxdersz" represzekntikng G7 sztaxtesz.

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The Seven member states, plus two - yes two - places for the EU.


Von der Leyen as President European Commission, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council.
The difference being . . . . . ?

Well Macron and Munti should not be at this then, you cant have it both ways.
 

Auld-Yin

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KNikne "Leaxdersz" represzekntikng G7 sztaxtesz.

View attachment 580560

The Seven member states, plus two - yes two - places for the EU.


Von der Leyen as President European Commission, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council.
The difference being . . . . . ?
I wonder if Michel and Vd Leyen are still playing musical chairs! :)
 
yes and no mate - the no being that the woke are very nice people when in actual fact we have more than ample evidence they are completely intolerant, vindictive, bullies and racist - their form of racism is that they decry anything they perceive as being a hinderance to black people eg voter id by assuming that black people are completely unable to gain an id because they are too thick or poor. These are also the same people who tend to think that they are superior to others simply because they have a college degree. In short they re the most dangerous group of people you can get, Smart stupid people
I don't disagree. But, the truth is we all want things our own way and for the woke in its opposition to populism have boxed themselves into playing by the democratic rules and rule of law. The way to the play the EU by the way is the same and we need an Army of Lawyers to pick Brussels apart line-by-line.
 

Dumb1

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Nine "Leaders" representing G7 states.

View attachment 580560

The Seven member states, plus two - yes two - places for the EU.


Von der Leyen as President European Commission, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council.
The difference being . . . . . ?
The boiled egg with a beard has shocking strides on... imagine he is getting ready for a paddle. Perhaps Boris could give him a knotted hankie for his head.
 
Nine "Leaders" representing G7 states.

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The Seven member states, plus two - yes two - places for the EU.


Von der Leyen as President European Commission, and Charles Michel, President of the European Council.
The difference being . . . . . ?
For a Non-State to have two seats at the meeting - note it’s still called the G7, not G8 or G7+1 - warranted a glance at Wiki as to why.
Lo and behold:
‘Since first invited by the United Kingdom in 1977, the European Union has been represented by the president of the European Commission and the leader of the country that holds the presidency of the Council of the European Union; the Council President now also regularly attends.’
So Jim Callaghan was responsible.

ETA: Re-reading that, it would appear the EU sends three reps to the meeting. I wonder why they haven’t this time. Unlike them not to big themselves up on such occasions.
 
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