What now for the EU ?

With the Brexit endgame now in play.

Going forward might be a good time to assess whether the UK has dodged a bullet, or made a mistake.

A starter for 10 from Macron.

It’s no surprise, then, that the next Commission’s strategic outlook largely maps Macron’s own priorities for Europe:

  • Fighting climate change
  • Achieving carbon neutrality
  • Introducing a European minimum wage
  • Eurozone-wide unemployment benefits scheme
  • Boosting the EU’s capabilities on defense
  • Credible policy of security, asylum and migration

My own thoughts.

1. France is nearly burning and that should be his only concern.

2. Bullet points 1 & 2 are a joke and are nothing more than stealth taxes.

3. Are bullet points 3 & 4 a tacit admission that there is a severe problem with '' Free Movement '' and this is a method of ending it, without admitting it ?

4. Good luck with bullet points 5 & 6.

Discuss.

NB. Those with a predisposition for crayons and have failed to reach puberty, the Hole is thataway ------------------->
 

mrdude

War Hero
UK has dodged a bullet.

Personally I couldn't care less what happens to the EU now we are finally leaving the rat infested hellhole. They can keep their migrants, bail out poor countries, collapse the euro, turn into another 3rd world shithole - because as far as the UK tax payer is concerned, it's not our problem anymore.

We'll trade with the world, make our own laws, say who is allowed in our country and who can use the NHS and claim benefits etc.

F*ck the EU - they have shown they are not our friends, but are just dictators - and we also know from history how that works out in the long run.
 
The EU is going to try and build a wall around EUtopia to keep the nasty real world out.
 
In all honesty I think UK has dodged more than a bullet. There is an incoming Artillery shell and it is now whistling a lot louder due to us finally getting Brexit. Deutsche bank is currently using a 15 foot snorkel to be able to breathe through the shit that it's in. When they do finally collapse we are looking at a world wide shock wave.
 
If you want a Sarajevo moment, that will be for the historians. The EU Problems:-
1. A combative Commission on red alert and desperate to kickstart the project again.
2. Germany soon to be without merkel, will be a lot less stabilising and Macron is a disaster.
3. Italy and Salvini is the Storm on the Horizon.
4. Euro and the monetary side is a ponzi scheme which only exists because the markets as yet don't want the project to fail and haven't gone after it soros style..
5. The Climate Change bandwagon has now reached the highway and its carrying nothing like enough passengers to prevent serious democratic problems, see holland.
6. Greece and the Balkans has being quiet of late, but always like to throw its twopenneth worth in.
7. Another Trump victory increases the stress.
8. Russia and its relationship with the EU is very dangerous. Because the EU has delusions that its a sovereign entity and who knows where those delusions will take them.
9. The Unknown is always the thing that ultimately sinks something so large. A US Democratic President might be cheered by the progressives, but will be nothing like the historical democrats. The world is changing very fast and the EU project is something out of its time.
 
My own thoughts.

1. France is nearly burning and that should be his only concern.



EasyJet, Ryanair and British Airways cancel more flights amid French strikes (although they're often on strike anyway)
 

Fake Sheikh

War Hero
After we go so will others, perhaps even the mighty Germans who if the far right get in will stop immigration quick & easily by leaving the EU. Macron on borrowed time with the amount of strikes in France these days. Expect more to follow the UK's lead over the next 10 years.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
With the Brexit endgame now in play.

Going forward might be a good time to assess whether the UK has dodged a bullet, or made a mistake.

A starter for 10 from Macron.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-plans/

My own thoughts.

1. France is nearly burning and that should be his only concern.

2. Bullet points 1 & 2 are a joke and are nothing more than stealth taxes.

3. Are bullet points 3 & 4 a tacit admission that there is a severe problem with '' Free Movement '' and this is a method of ending it, without admitting it ?

4. Good luck with bullet points 5 & 6.

Discuss.

NB. Those with a predisposition for crayons and have failed to reach puberty, the Hole is thataway ------------------->
Noticeably absent from Marcon's proposals are any ways to boost productivity and growth within the EU. It's all spend, spend, spend. And without growth to pay for the additional expenditure, it'll just put additional burdens on business and accelerate the EU's loss of business to the rest of the world.

Wordsmith
 
Noticeably absent from Marcon's proposals are any ways to boost productivity and growth within the EU. It's all spend, spend, spend. And without growth to pay for the additional expenditure, it'll just put additional burdens on business and accelerate the EU's loss of business to the rest of the world.

Wordsmith
Without that spending the system collapses..... I find it astonishing the EU doesn't load germany with the bill for this before merkel departs. The successors will have nothing like enough traction to sign off on something as big as that and cue electoral earthquake.

I have a strong conviction that the next 18 months will be enormous. Because the EU has to railroad through some very unlikable policies before the democratic situation can adjust to the new reality.
 
Without that spending the system collapses..... I find it astonishing the EU doesn't load germany with the bill for this before merkel departs.
They have.

It is called Target 2. Have a guess at how much Germany is owed.

Which is rather strange as it is a real time settlement / payment system.
 
They have.

It is called Target 2. Have a guess at how much Germany is owed.

Which is rather strange as it is a real time settlement / payment system.
Not being advertised and crucially its a theoretical liability and presumably like maastricht the PR is its just a tidying exercise, nothing to see here.
 
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Is this Macron talk for 'Lets have equality so that the Easties don't have to come here and upset my own electorate'?
 
Forgive me if I am wrong, but are we not still paying as part of the deal ?
With no input as to what they do with the cash.
 

still staggin

War Hero
The E U is and always has been a socialist experiment / utopia on a large scale, and as usual the big bad real world has intruded on their dreamworld as it always does with the usual socialist spending other people's money policies .
Thank whoever that we are shortly no longer to be a part of this shambles of an economic dictatorship.
 
When we go the Krauts are very exposed as the only remaining major net paymasters of the EU, but as above are deep in the cacky themselves. The other major states will have to up contributions to cover the shortfall, which may well be the straws that break their backs. Of the medium tier states Spain and Greece are only afloat because of the EU. The brighter players like Denmark and Sweden may well look and us and Norway and bugger off themselves asap. That leaves a lot on non-contributing minnows between the Paddies and Vlad the Impaler that will be wondering what comes next, the bailiffs probably.

Oh dear, what a shame.

Edited to take account of @Dredd 's comments
 
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Noticeably absent from Marcon's proposals are any ways to boost productivity and growth within the EU. It's all spend, spend, spend. And without growth to pay for the additional expenditure, it'll just put additional burdens on business and accelerate the EU's loss of business to the rest of the world.

Wordsmith

There EU is playing the same tune as Magic Grandpa was



 
Not being advertised and crucially its a theoretical liability
Really ?

Germany is currently owed around €950 billion ($1.12 trillion) under the ECB’s Target2 clearing system,
No one quite knows would happen to the Target2 system in the event of a high-deficit country leaving the Eurosystem. Last year, ECB president Mario Draghi told the European parliament that any deficits would have to be repaid. But it appears that countries have no binding legal obligation to do so; it is simply “guidance” from the ECB.

Off book lending for goods and services received.
 

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