What must fall to make us forget slavery?

Apologies for the continuing thread drift, but here’s a version of ‘The Black Joak/Joke’ with lyrics.
Warning: As product of its time, it does contain racial stereotypes, so those of a nervous disposition should look away now.Bollocks! It’s MY cultural heritage! More ale
wench
Exactly! And why shouldn't you be proud of it? Your cultured heritage, why should you not be allowed to enjoy it without fear of "someone" being offended? As a *WOG, of the Porridge variety, I've lived inEngland for quite a few years now. Back along it struck me as funny, but not in a funny way, that us Jocks, Paddies and Taffs could celebrate our National Saints Day with impunity in England, while the English were accused of being racist celebrating their own Saint in England!!

*Before anyone associates those letters as offensive, I'm ancient. I was taught they stood for Worthy Oriental Gentleman. Should you put a different interpretation on it, then it's you who are the racist, not I.
 
AFAIK, WOGS stood for Working On Government Service during colonial days. Originally just an acronym for locally employed staff, in red-coloured countries on the map. By the 60s, it had morphed into a catch-all insult for non-whites.
The favourite acronym nowadays is POCs, for People Of Colour, regardless of where they live, or originate from.
One day, some woke lefty is gonna wake up, and realise just how much more offensive his pet ethnic feels about being called a POCs.
 
Exactly! And why shouldn't you be proud of it? Your cultured heritage, why should you not be allowed to enjoy it without fear of "someone" being offended? As a *WOG, of the Porridge variety, I've lived inEngland for quite a few years now. Back along it struck me as funny, but not in a funny way, that us Jocks, Paddies and Taffs could celebrate our National Saints Day with impunity in England, while the English were accused of being racist celebrating their own Saint in England!!

*Before anyone associates those letters as offensive, I'm ancient. I was taught they stood for Worthy Oriental Gentleman. Should you put a different interpretation on it, then it's you who are the racist, not I.


Ironically, I’m practically an immigrant. My DNA is more Scot than anything else; I was born outside the UK; and only about half my years have been spent here. But, I pay my taxes, and have assimilated into the culture!

And, yeah, the double standards are odd -

Welsh nationalist? : *ping!*
Scottish nationalist? : *ping!*
English nationalist? : … *BUZZZZ!*
 
Ironically, I’m practically an immigrant. My DNA is more Scot than anything else; I was born outside the UK; and only about half my years have been spent here. But, I pay my taxes, and have assimilated into the culture!
Nail on head. That would stop most racial problems if everyone who came here adopted our ways. Why should our ways change to suit every different culture that settles here? I have no problem with anyone celebrating/enjoying their own heritage here, as long as it doesn't break the laws of the land. I joined the Burns and Caledonian clubs when I moved south, but although there were English and other nationals in it, we didn't bang the drum about it. I've said elsewhere, it's not BLM, it's ALL lives matter. As another poster said, if a honky had walked around with a placard stating White Lives Matter, he'd be torn a new one pretty damn quick.
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
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Planned protest at Duke of Sutherland's statue over his involvement in Highland clearances attracted 2 police officers and 2 journalists.

Number of general public zero, not even the organiser showed up!
 
Nail on head. That would stop most racial problems if everyone who came here adopted our ways. Why should our ways change to suit every different culture that settles here?
Sky news this morning informs me that a spike in Covid 19 in some town up North was due to the inhabitants not understanding the Government advice, as no translation of the advice has been provided.
 

Dr Death

War Hero
We will end up discriminating against everyone -
White/Black/Asian/Chinese/Indian/welsh/Scottish/Irish/Yorkshire/Cornwall/London/Essex & even Somerset.

I'm not a Grokel I live here.
 

sirbhp

LE
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I'd just like to point out that after doing my family history for many years now my ancestors could hardly afford to own a turnip let alone slaves! So leave me out of this bolllix.
 

Chef

LE
A whole turnip? @sirbhp flash git!
 

triggerigger

War Hero
If all the pathetic whining and snivelling stopped i think i could forget slavery in about an hour.
Never gave it any thought before this whinge fest.
 
I am grateful to @OllieReeder for pointing me in the right direction here.

Following on from my previous post about Britain's role In finally smashing the slave trade I give you a tale worthy of Hollywood of the efforts of just one ship. Called, of all things, HMS Black Joke.

Should anyone be wondering which heroic figures might replace some of the statues currently causing a flurry then there are some names in the following who should be considered. Please copy/paste as you wish.

HMS Black Joke.

HMS Black Joke was probably built in Baltimore in 1824, becoming the Brazilian slave ship Henriquetta. The Royal Navy captured her in September 1827 and purchased her into the service. The Navy re-named her Black Joke, after an English song of the same name, and assigned her to the West Africa Squadron (or Preventive Squadron). Her role was to chase down slave ships, and over her five-year career she freed many hundreds of slaves.

The Navy took her into service as a tender to HMS Sybille, under the command of Lieutenant William Turner.During her service with the Navy, Black Joke's crew included an assistant surgeon, three midshipmen, thirty seamen and five marines as well as a number of Liberian Kroomen for use on detached boat service. Her armament consisted of one solitary 18-pounder on a pivot mount.

On 5 January 1828 she sailed with Sybille and the 20-gun post ship Esk. On 12 January she captured the Spanish schooner Gertrudes (or Gertrudis), which carried 155 slaves.

Gertrudes had outrun the other two British warships, but not Black Joke.

On 2 April a Spanish 14-gun brig fired on Black Joke as she approached the brig. After two hours of exchanging shots, and after suffering several casualties, the brig hoisted a flag of truce. She turned out to be the Providentia, of 14 guns and a crew of 80 men. She had fired on the Black Joke as Providentia's captain had been warned that a Colombian privateer answering to the same description as Black Joke was in the area. Turner therefore released her. Black Joke suffered no casualties; Providentia had numerous of her crew killed and wounded.

On 1 May 1828 Black Joke fought the large and well-armed pirate Presidenté. After two hours of action, and following the death of their captain and two others, as well as the wounding of a number more, the crew of the Presidenté sought a truce. (Black Joke sustained one killed and a number wounded.) The crew of Presidenté underwent an examination before being committed for trial on charges of piracy. Many of her crew appeared to be British or have anglicized names, and they were sent back to England for trial. The next day Black Joke retook the Portuguese vessel Hosse, which Presidenté had taken as a prize. Presidente was lost at sea on her way to Sierra Leone.

On 16 May, Black Joke captured Vengador. She had a crew of 45 men and eight guns but offered no resistance. She carried 645 slaves, the most ever captured on a single ship, as quite rightly pointed out by @OllieReeder .

On 14 September Black Joke was in company with Primrose when Primrose captured the Zephirina or Zephorina. Zephorina was carrying 218 slaves.

On 14 November Turner received promotion to commander. He turned over command of Black Joke to Lieutenant Henry Downes of Sybille. In November of the same year Black Joke was forced to leave the coast of Bioko (Fernando Po), due to fever on board.

In January 1829 Black Joke saw a Spanish brig as the Spaniard loaded slaves and set sail for Havana. Black Joke chased the Spaniard for 31 hours and on 1 February, when the wind dropped, resorted to sweeps to bring herself within gunshot of her prey. El Almirante mounted a total of 14 guns (ten Gover's 18-pounder cannon and four long 9-pounders) and had a crew of 80 men. Black Joke was almost half the size of El Almirante and by then had double its previous armament and mounted all of two guns.

Good ship-handling, the discipline of the Royal Navy gun crews, and light winds gave Lieutenant Downes the advantage. In 80 minutes he defeated and captured the slaver, which suffered 15 dead, including the captain and the first and second mates, and a further 13 wounded, while Black Joke suffered six wounded, two of whom died later. El Almirante held 466 slaves, who were later landed.

On 6 March Black Joke captured the 2-gun brigantine Carolina, which carried 420 slaves. After this capture Downes was invalided home because of illness, and received a promotion to Commander on his return in recognition of the capture of El Almirante. He had freed a total of 875 slaves.

Black Joke then came under the command of Lieutenant E.J. Parrey. On 11 October he captured the Christina (or Cristina), a Spanish schooner of three guns and 24 crew members. She was carrying 354 slaves. Lieutenant William Coyde replaced Parrey, and on 1 April 1830 captured the Spanish brigantine Manzanares of three guns and 34 crew. She was carrying 354 slaves. Later that month Black Joke was in refit in Sierra Leone. Coyde's replacement in Black Joke was Lieutenant William Ramsay.

On 9 November she captured Dos Amigos, a Baltimore schooner with a crew of 34 and armed with a single carronade; Dos Amigos had 567 African captives aboard, but may have relanded them before her capture. The Admiralty put Dos Amigos up for auction where the commodore of the British Anti-Slavery Squadron, Jonathan Hayes, bought her and named her Fair Rosamond. In December Black Joke was cruising in the Bight of Benin with Medina.

On 21 or 22 February 1831 Black Joke captured a slaver with 300 slaves on board. This was probably the Spanish schooner Primeira. At the time Black Joke was acting as a tender to Dryad, and was under the temporary command of W L Castle.

In a famous action on 25 or 26 April 1831, Black Joke was again under Ramsey's command when she capture the Marienetto the much larger and more heavily armed Spanish slaver off the island of Bioko. At one point, 14-year-old Midshipman Hinde from Black Joke took command and rescued the boarding party, including Ramsey, which had become stranded on the Spanish slaver's deck.

Yes, that's right, Hinde was 14 years of age.

Marinerito had 15 of her crew killed; Black Joke lost one man killed and four wounded, one of whom was Ramsey. Of the 496 slaves on Marinerito, 26 were found to have died and 107 were in so weakened a state that they were landed on Bioko, where more than half subsequently died. The remainder were taken to freedom in Sierra Leone.

In September, in company with Fair Rosamond, Black Joke chased two Spanish slavers into the Bonny River. Lieutenant Ramsey, reported that "during the chase they were seen to throw their slaves overboard, by twos shackled together by the ankles, and left in this manner to sink or swim."

Fair Rosamond captured the Spanish vessels, Regulo and Rapido, on 10 September and took them to Sierra Leone, where the Admiralty Court condemned them. Black Joke freed 39 slaves, for which a half bounty was paid to the captain and crew.

Ramsey received promotion to the rank of commander for the capture of Marinerito and handed over command to Lieutenant H V Huntley. On 15 February 1832, Black Joke captured Spanish schooner Frasquita, alias Centilla, which was armed with two guns and had a crew of 31 men. Frasquitta had 290 slaves on board her.

In all, between November 1830 and March 1832, Black Joke and Fair Rosamond accounted for 11 out of the squadron's take of 13 slavers.

To cut a long story short the very last thing you wanted to see as you were doing something naughty was the Andrew appearing on the horizon. Not only would you be comprehensively out-sailed but should you decide to resist you would have your arrse handed to you which would probably include your skipper getting a musket ball between the eyes courtesy of a marine sniper up in the rigging.

Rule Britannia etc.

Found this which isn't terrible..:

 

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