What month was the Royal Hampshires reconstituted?

#1
What month was the Royal Hampshires reconstituted in 1972 and alongside the Argyll's what other regiments where reconstituted that year.
 

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#2
3RGJ if I recall from a company cadre!
 
#4
Gauis,

Wait out on this I will look it up in the regimental history when I get home tonight.
 
#6
March 1972 - I was in Londonderry with the RWF at the time and a number of our NCOs transferred. Four batallions were reinstated, one other was the 2nd Scots Guards.
 
#7
4th Bn The Queen's was reduced to a Company and then scrapped at about that time.
 

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#9
4LI was disbanded in early 69 to ensure the other 3 Bns were up to strength, a realpity as we could have kept all the geordies in one place!
 
#10
thedobo said:
Queensman said:
4th Bn The Queen's was reduced to a Company and then scrapped at about that time.
Best thing for it!
In theory - Yes! But, sadly the company arrived in the shiney 1st Bn lock stock & barrel, and then formed a rather unhealthy 57th mafia of lower-orders which continued until the '90s.
 

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#11
Were they absorbed into other companies or kept as a seperate in all but name unit for years?
 

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#12
Odd that amalgamating the Hamps with the Queens brought together two regiments from seperate divisions, Queens and PoW. This meant that inter regtl transfers for tours and ops and also for senior ranks left some people cut off fron home? Not seen again until RGBW & D&D were lightened! I suppose that the Light Div will ceasee to exist and just become Rifles RHQ?
 
#13
ugly said:
Odd that amalgamating the Hamps with the Queens brought together two regiments from seperate divisions, Queens and PoW. This meant that inter regtl transfers for tours and ops and also for senior ranks left some people cut off fron home? Not seen again until RGBW & D&D were lightened! I suppose that the Light Div will ceasee to exist and just become Rifles RHQ?
When we were told we were being amalgamated with the R Hamps we could not work it out. Surely the natural amalgamation for the R Hamps was with the D&Ds - even the local bus company was called the Hampshire & Dorset Bus Company!
 

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#14
Hamsters do live next door to Sussex, but there is obviously a lot more than Sussex involved in the Queens. Sad to see the old names go as they did with such ingracious haste. At least there was a decent wake for the old regts at the rebadging ceremony and if you missed that the new colours would be along within 5 years. I wonder if the RGBW got a new set. Just in time to forget about marching behind anything!
 
#15
Minden Company returned to the UK from Gibraltar at the end of Jan 72. "In fact, it had technically ceased to exist on the 15th of that month, the date that the 1st Battalion The Royal Hampshire Regiment was officially re-formed."

Source:
Perret, B. (1997): The Hampshire Tigers: The Story of the Royal Hampshire Regiment 1945 - 1992, page 247.

Wth regards to whom The Royal Hampshire Regiment should have amalgamated with:

Meetings were held by the Colonels of the Prince of Wales's Division. On the basis of geograpghy POW Div agreed that if amalgamations were required between four former Regiments of the Wessex Brigade, The GLOSTERS would amalgamate with the DERR and the D AND D would amalgamate with the R HAMPS."

For R HAMPS an amalgamation with either neighbouring Regiments, the D and D and DERR was also included as an option.

This submission also included the caveat that the R HAMPS were NOT inclined to amalgamate with the QUEENS. For the QUEENS with its traditions of a large multi-county regiment were in so contrast with those of a tightly-knit single battalion county regiment with the closest of county ties. (Source: As above page 406.) However, as we all know this was ignored and an amalgamation with the QUEENS to place in 1992 resulting in the PWRR.
 

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#16
This submission also included the caveat that the R HAMPS were NOT inclined to amalgamate with the QUEENS. For the QUEENS with its traditions of a large multi-county regiment were in so contrast with those of a tightly-knit single battalion county regiment with the closest of county ties. (Source: As above page 406.) However, as we all know this was ignored and an amalgamation with the QUEENS to place in 1992 resulting in the PWRR.
Not like the army council to ignore the wishes of its employees is it? :pissedoff:
Every doing down of the infantry has been facilitated by the Army Council screwing over the men regardless of the wishes of the regts, assoc'ns and families!
Nothing changes!
 
#17
Inf/MP said:
Minden Company returned to the UK from Gibraltar at the end of Jan 72. "In fact, it had technically ceased to exist on the 15th of that month, the date that the 1st Battalion The Royal Hampshire Regiment was officially re-formed."

Source:
Perret, B. (1997): The Hampshire Tigers: The Story of the Royal Hampshire Regiment 1945 - 1992, page 247.

Wth regards to whom The Royal Hampshire Regiment should have amalgamated with:

Meetings were held by the Colonels of the Prince of Wales's Division. On the basis of geograpghy POW Div agreed that if amalgamations were required between four former Regiments of the Wessex Brigade, The GLOSTERS would amalgamate with the DERR and the D AND D would amalgamate with the R HAMPS."

For R HAMPS an amalgamation with either neighbouring Regiments, the D and D and DERR was also included as an option.

This submission also included the caveat that the R HAMPS were NOT inclined to amalgamate with the QUEENS. For the QUEENS with its traditions of a large multi-county regiment were in so contrast with those of a tightly-knit single battalion county regiment with the closest of county ties. (Source: As above page 406.) However, as we all know this was ignored and an amalgamation with the QUEENS to place in 1992 resulting in the PWRR.
Very well presented my dear man, this is one amalgamation the council certainly got wrong!!
It still rankles today with many 'old sweats', from both sides of the divide.
 
#18
There was a school of thought, and I agreed with it, to let 'our' third battalion go and form the Royal Hampshire & Sussex Regiment. This would have saved the name 'The Queen's', Englands oldest Regiment, and preserved a two battalion Regiment based on the 2nd and 3rd of Foot (including 31st, 50th etc). General Mike Reynolds, the Colonel of the Regiment, and a GREAT man, however, was implacably opposed to breaking up the existing Queen's Regiment. He had seen it all before, and had been promised, as we all had been, that, having formed a large regiment with relatively good grace in the '60s 'we' would NEVER have to be fcuked around again Ha Ha!
 
#19
Queensman said:
There was a school of thought, and I agreed with it, to let 'our' third battalion go and form the Royal Hampshire & Sussex Regiment.
Blimey, not heard that one before. Surely it would have been 'Royal Sussex and Hampshire' though?. Having said that, Di's Guys seem to have taken over PWRR beyond their line status.
 
#20
whiffler said:
Queensman said:
There was a school of thought, and I agreed with it, to let 'our' third battalion go and form the Royal Hampshire & Sussex Regiment.
Blimey, not heard that one before. Surely it would have been 'Royal Sussex and Hampshire' though?. Having said that, Di's Guys seem to have taken over PWRR beyond their line status.
I believe it was a Hamster suggestion, made when it turned out that none of their own Division wanted to become their bedfellows.
 

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