What is the truth about TA pay on Ops??

#1
A popular duty rumour is that when TA bods get send off to desert places, they get the equivalent rate of pay of a regular of the same rank PLUS the normal pay for their real-life job.

Is that true? I've heard so much conflicting crap from different people (including stabs) that I don't know what to believe.
 

Pob02

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#2
#6
All of the above is true, plus if you work for certain (read American) companies, they carry on paying you your normal wage too.

This is probably where you heard the rumour from.

There are also certain other things you can claim for, all of which are explained at Chilwell.

msr
 
#7
msr said:
All of the above is true, plus if you work for certain (read American) companies, they carry on paying you your normal wage too.

This is probably where you heard the rumour from.

There are also certain other things you can claim for, all of which are explained at Chilwell.

msr
See this bit, this really gets on my wick.

Would it not be a better idea to spell out what you are entitled to before you volunteer? The reason being, I'd dearly love to but there is no way I can/will until I know exactly what I'm going to get when I become mobilised. When you get to Chilwell you get told you will be getting x amount per calender month. Correct? What if it just isn't enough? I'm guessing you don't get the bounty simply because you are effectively a regular, therefore not entitled to it. That's an almost 2k pay cut for most that I can ill afford to lose.

Sorry to rant, just think it could be made clearer before because you can't just walk away at Chilwell if it isn't can you?
 
#8
It depends on your circumstances; married folk and home owners got more travel pay than singlies, but in the singlies case, they got flights/trains home paid for. Plus you have ops allowances(like unpleasant working conditions pay, for example) and LSA to consider on top of your wages.

However, don't expect your pay to go smoothly - throughout our deployment, there were so many guys with pay dramas it was unreal.
 
#9
Talk to your RAO - he or she will be able to give you the correct info.

Devilish, most people will get the Bounty (basically, mobilizing quals you for the MATTs and all In-Camp days, plus a sliding scale of out-of-camp days depending on how long the tour is).
 
#10
devilish said:
That's an almost 2k pay cut for most that I can ill afford to lose.
Which will be more than made up for by 1) Your Op 'tax free' bonus and 2) the fact that you will be spending very little.

msr
 
#12
msr said:
devilish said:
That's an almost 2k pay cut for most that I can ill afford to lose.
Which will be more than made up for by 1) Your Op 'tax free' bonus and 2) the fact that you will be spending very little.

msr
Tax Free Bonus is a very nice surprise at the end of tour. Finding your wife spent your savings getting double glazing installed in her mother's house isn't 8O
 
#13
msr said:
devilish said:
That's an almost 2k pay cut for most that I can ill afford to lose.
Which will be more than made up for by 1) Your Op 'tax free' bonus and 2) the fact that you will be spending very little.

msr
This part in bold is irrelevant. I may not be spending very much, if anything, but my family still are. My bounty usually=kids and us going on holiday in the summer. Just because I'm on tour wouldn't and shouldn't stop that happening.

But thanks for your views. I'll try and sit down with the RAO and see exactly what I'd be entitled to.

I'm not a tight fcuker by any manner of means but if I'm at a loss then it won't be me that suffers but those at home and that's the last thing I'd be wanting to deal with whilst mobilised.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#14
You can still get your bounty, but your deployment counts for all MATTs and your 2 week camp element as described by people above.

You will need to add in a number of additional weekends to obtain the correct number of In Camp (or is it out of camp - I can never remember) days. For our guys who have just returned, depending when they deployed it meant something like 5 or 6 weekends in the 5 months post POTL.

It can be done, you just have to ensure you get back training at a steady rate after POTL - or get them in the bank before you go.
 
#15
Cheers Duke, time to get the calendar out.
 

The_Duke

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Moderator
#16
devilish said:
Cheers Duke, time to get the calendar out.
No problems - get it checked with your PSAO or RAO, and get exactly what you need to do confirmed in writing so there is no chance of a come back at a later date if someone choses to interpret things differently.

There is no reason for you to miss out.
 
#17
The_Duke said:
You can still get your bounty, but your deployment counts for all MATTs and your 2 week camp element as described by people above.

You will need to add in a number of additional weekends to obtain the correct number of In Camp (or is it out of camp - I can never remember) days. For our guys who have just returned, depending when they deployed it meant something like 5 or 6 weekends in the 5 months post POTL.

It can be done, you just have to ensure you get back training at a steady rate after POTL - or get them in the bank before you go.
Our Survey says....that's funny

Post 04/05 tour The FPC I went out with had to do about 2 weekends from August to March. Flat. That's after the nice clerks carfeully read the DIN with the instruction and worked out how many days everybody had to do and then carefully informed the Clerk at RHQ to make the required notes.

Mind you, that bit grips me big time. Lads go on tour, particulary now, spend 6 months actually having to fire bullets at people wh are trying to kill them, hump silly amounts of weight in painfully hot weather for 168 odd days. And then have to spend 15 days doing sometimes frankly w**k training........ Huh?
 
#18
Re the MATT's qualifications counting for Bounty when you return, you need to look at the calendar carefully if your mobilisation crosses a Training Year end i.e. 31-Mar-xx. My own fault in part, but I was told by my PSAO that my RTMC MATT tests would count towards my Bounty, only to find out at the year end that they did not as they fell in the previous year !

Doh !

Can vouch for the MoD having to make up the dosh to your civilian income if it exceeds the TA daily rate. Should be straightforward if you have a P60 from your employer, slightly more wrinkles if you are self-employed.

FP
 
#19
msr said:
All of the above is true, plus if you work for certain (read American) companies, they carry on paying you your normal wage too.
Of course, claiming Reservist's Award (the top-up to civvy pay bit) while you're still being paid by your civvy employer is officially, legally and actually fraud so I wouldn't encourage it. Your ethics may vary.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#20
Kitmarlowe said:
The_Duke said:
You can still get your bounty, but your deployment counts for all MATTs and your 2 week camp element as described by people above.

You will need to add in a number of additional weekends to obtain the correct number of In Camp (or is it out of camp - I can never remember) days. For our guys who have just returned, depending when they deployed it meant something like 5 or 6 weekends in the 5 months post POTL.

It can be done, you just have to ensure you get back training at a steady rate after POTL - or get them in the bank before you go.
Our Survey says....that's funny

Post 04/05 tour The FPC I went out with had to do about 2 weekends from August to March. Flat. That's after the nice clerks carfeully read the DIN with the instruction and worked out how many days everybody had to do and then carefully informed the Clerk at RHQ to make the required notes.

Mind you, that bit grips me big time. Lads go on tour, particulary now, spend 6 months actually having to fire bullets at people wh are trying to kill them, hump silly amounts of weight in painfully hot weather for 168 odd days. And then have to spend 15 days doing sometimes frankly w**k training........ Huh?
Hence the comments about "in our case" and "check with your PSAO".

Oh, and don't forget - we work more flexibly, and 3 months deployed periods are an option, as opposed to the usual 6, so mobilisation times are not usual.

I agree with your last paragraph, but to play Devils Advocate - if those few weekends required get them to attend again in order to get the £1500, and help them to get in the habit again on their return instead of POTL extending until eventually they leave, is it such a bad thing?
 

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