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What is the Official Army line on FB and Social networking

#1
I'm having a "debate" on the subject of FB and what the Army says officially?

I heard the Army are ok as long as it contains no sensitive information i.e. events to happen in the future?

BUT...

Quite a few other people say the Army says NO to any Army info on it?

Can someone put this to rest and point me to something in print?

Cheers
 
#2
bibo_boy said:
I'm having a "debate" on the subject of FB and what the Army says officially?

I heard the Army are ok as long as it contains no sensitive information i.e. events to happen in the future?

BUT...

Quite a few other people say the Army says NO to any Army info on it?

Can someone put this to rest and point me to something in print?

Cheers
there's a MATTS course on this, somewhere, more death by powerpoint until you get to the last slide.
 
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#3
bibo_boy said:
I'm having a "debate" on the subject of FB and what the Army says officially?

I heard the Army are ok as long as it contains no sensitive information i.e. events to happen in the future?

BUT...

Quite a few other people say the Army says NO to any Army info on it?

Can someone put this to rest and point me to something in print?

Cheers
There has been instruction on this. I will see what I can dig out later.

Edited to say - I see others have found the DIN. Some good common sense advice too.
 
#4
bibo_boy said:
I'm having a "debate" on the subject of FB and what the Army says officially?

I heard the Army are ok as long as it contains no sensitive information i.e. events to happen in the future?
2008DIN 03-020 - Contact with the Media and Communicating in Public, p19, last bullet covers FB.

More specifically, DMC-PR-05-07-02 dated 5 August 2009 (here) says you can, although you might need permission. Does and don'ts list is at Annex B.

Be careful and remember there are even more idiots on FB than on arrse!
 
#5
Did a Media Ops course and we asked this very question of the attending Interweb guru.

Quoted the directive chapter and verse and then moved on.

During a break, he then passed his laptop over and said, "Give me a name on FB and I'll show you how easy it is to track them down."

Chose my own account, but didn't tell him that. Mainly used to keep in touch with lads in theatre and I was pretty confident that he'd not be able to do anything with it as I'm old school PerSec paranoid.

Next morning he had just about everything on me, including FoI access requests that had been made in my name without my knowledge!

He is a bit of a boffin and I'm no tinfoil hat - but it did confirm to me how relatively simple it is to take apparently anonymous information and extrapolate it.
 
#6
1. No sensitive information (define sensitive as low as you can get - includes anything which shows TTPs. levels of training as well as op info - YouTube is full of idiot postings like that)
2. If you are going to post personal details - e-mail, phone numbers, don't identify yourself as a soldier by posting piccies in uniform or out with the sect/pl
3. The one that gets forgotten, but which will land you in the smelly stuff - nothing which reflects poorly on the service; apply basic Values and Standards and be discreet.
4. Use FB security settings so that only people you know can see your info. Your friends list (and your friends' friends lists etc) can be used to draw up a network of you and your contacts which can compromise your role and activities, or can be used to target others in the list in the same way.
5. If you do have a burning need to use FB, MySpace, Bebo etc think about having separate accounts for work contacts and social. FB allows you to group your Friends list to keep the two apart if necessary - use the facility.

Stick to those and you won't go far wrong. :soldier:
 
#8
Its a shame the TA don't get to sit in on the PERSEC briefs given to the Brigade areas because it covers the official policy but also how and where soldiers (reg & TA) are getting themselves into bother via social networking sites.

Its worth getting in touch with your local MI section to come in on an evening and knock up a quick presentation using information gathered from google/google images/192.com/123people.com/youtube.com.
 
#9
Simple rule of thumb, never put anything on the web that you wouldn't mind being put on a billboard. Forget all the crap social networking sites spout about privacy, you can't trust it.

As to something that connects you to the military, just don't. Ever. It's not paranoia if they are out to get you, we've had one plot all over the papers already about a soldier being stalked and you don't want to be the next. Just remember that - unlike NI - the TA is up to its neck in current ops. That means you are just as legitimate a target as the regs. And probably easier to get to, after all the local MI section has no idea you even exist, at least they keep an eye on areas where they know pads live.

There's a war on, it's your life, switch on and think.
 
#10
AlabamaHotPocketer said:
Its a shame the TA don't get to sit in on the PERSEC briefs given to the Brigade areas because it covers the official policy but also how and where soldiers (reg & TA) are getting themselves into bother via social networking sites.

Its worth getting in touch with your local MI section to come in on an evening and knock up a quick presentation using information gathered from google/google images/192.com/123people.com/youtube.com.
It would help if the CoC knew about PERSEC as they seem to be constantly trying to get me and others to have interviews in the local newspapers!

I've always politely declined but been under a lot of presure from the CoC.

I've sat in on a few of those breifings, it's always funny when they pic some random blokes facebook site who's sat in the briefing, not so funny if it's you mind.
 
#11
There does have to be some involvement with the press though official channels, to help with recruitment and publicity about current deployments. However, individuals need to be briefed on what is of intelligence value from what they say and what details they shouldn't give about themselves. The media ops and people don't always get it right. How many TA soldiers know about Cpl Byles and Abu Bakr Mansha? That case is 5 years old but some people are struggling to realise what the enemy's intentions and capabilities are.

If you want to get in on the PERSEC briefs, get your CoC to speak to the SO2 G2 to alert TA units of the briefs. They are during the weekday though so TAers might struggle.
 
#12
AlabamaHotPocketer said:
The media ops and people don't always get it right.
If the experts can't, then how can Gnr F**knuts?

AlabamaHotPocketer said:
. How many TA soldiers know about Cpl Byles and Abu Bakr Mansha? That case is 5 years old but some people are struggling to realise what the enemy's intentions and capabilities are.
That you have to cite a five year old incident shows how rare it is.

AlabamaHotPocketer said:
If you want to get in on the PERSEC briefs, get your CoC to speak to the SO2 G2 to alert TA units of the briefs. They are during the weekday though so TAers might struggle.
If it was that important, they would come in on a w/e or drill night.

msr
 
#13
If the experts can't, then how can Gnr F**knuts?
Media ops are the experts at what they do but they're not G2. They'll present a story that will best put across the army but they don't have a security function so often it is down to the individual to retain their personal information from the public domain.

That you have to cite a five year old incident shows how rare it is.
Well if you don't think that incident is important then I'm glad you're not my boss or in charge of my colleagues. Have a look at Op Gamble if you want something more recent. And if you think these cases were one offs and won't happen again, then you are completely wrong.

If it was that important, they would come in on a w/e or drill night.
Yes, I can imagine that happening.

Out of interest, what advice do you give your guys about going to CSSRA countries and having contact with CSSRA individuals?
 
#15
Countries to which Special Security Regulations Apply. It might be useful for you and your guys to know if they are going to a country which poses a severe or critical threat to security. The fact that you've never heard of it before is worrying. TA soldiers especially need to know about the countries and which procedures apply to them when going to these countries or having prolonged contact with CSSRA individuals.
 
#16
If it was important it would be included in the security part of MATTS.

Face it, the most secret bit of info I know about my TAC is the level of the Offr's Mess bar stocks: and I am prepared to reveal, exclusively on arrse, that it amounts to 4 cans of Boddingtons (past their sell by date), 3 small bottles of tonic (also past their sell by date) and a bottle of white wine which has no sell by date on it, so may, or may not, be fit for consumption.

msr
 

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#17
Straight question, straight answer:

Get a copy of the MATT 6 lesson plan.....IMHO this should be compulsory for all perss, excused ranks , ANNUALLY.

( it isnae just Sapper Snooks and Trooper Farkdust who have FaceBook accts...)

MOD current Online Guidelines state:
Service and MOD civilian personnel do not need to seek clearance when talking online about factual, unclassified, uncontroversial non-operational matters, but should seek authorisation from their chain of command before publishing any wider information relating to their work which:
• Relates to operations or deployments;
• Offers opinions on wider Defence and Armed Forces activity, or on third parties without their permission; or
• Attempts to speak, or could be interpreted as speaking, on behalf of your Service or the MOD; or,
• Relates to controversial, sensitive or political matters.
3. If in doubt personnel should always seek advice from their chain of command / line management.
4. Service and MOD civilian personnel are encouraged to operate “sponsored” online presences to help communicate their work, including as part of their official duties, as long as these are authorised in advance, registered with MOD London (CIO and DMC), and support Service or Defence communication objectives. Commanding Officers, supported by Media and Communication staff, are responsible for clearance and oversight and should look for suitable opportunities.
(cake/eat? eat/cake?....decisions,decisions....)

Part of the reason why the Guidelines were battled through the system was because at one point there were 30+ regimental websites - which were authorised by CoC but not "sponsored" by MoD as an 'official' channel e.g hosted outside MoD systems.

EXAMPLES

http://www.theblackwatch.co.uk/index/newsletter

http://www.irish-guards.co.uk/_New_Site/index_new.html


Very difficult area....be interesting to see how any new incoming administration deals with this point.......

HTH

Lee Shaver
 
#18
In my "other life" I had cause to attend a fraud case at the local court.

I was amazed to find out how easy it is to find out information about people, and from that information, commit fraud.

As a result, I will never go anywhere near any of the social networking sites.

As an add-on, I have young children who liked to go on You Tube, until I found out that they were only a click away from stuff I really didn't want them to see
 
#20
AlabamaHotPocketer said:
Countries to which Special Security Regulations Apply. It might be useful for you and your guys to know if they are going to a country which poses a severe or critical threat to security. The fact that you've never heard of it before is worrying. TA soldiers especially need to know about the countries and which procedures apply to them when going to these countries or having prolonged contact with CSSRA individuals.
Isn't CSSRA restricted?

DII usage amongst TA isn't exactly widespread and I'm not sure what the rules are about posting up Restricted stuff on noticeboards, but I suspect they're not best summarised by "go ahead, feel free"...
 

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