What is it like in the Army Air Corps

#1
Hey All,
Looking at an officer career in the AAC in about 6 years, after going to university doing aeronautical engineering. If anyone could tell me anything about it it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Sam
 
#2
Seriously consider the RAF. You obviously want to fly judging by your choice of degree subject, and the RAF will let you fly for your whole career if you want to. You will have no dodgy, biased and unfair issues with flying pay dissparity between the services.
If you commision into the AAC you are likely to be flying a desk after a few years, and don't believe all you hear from the recruiters about things changing for officers in the future.
Should you be unsucessful at flying training with the AAC then i'm affraid thats
you finished. The RAF may allow you to go down the multi engine route.

Whatever you choose to do, good luck and enjoy the flying.
 
#3
fly = RAF

desk and MINIMAL command (mainly desk) = Army.

Hate being disloyal but WAKE UP MCM you CNUTS.

Wish I had done aerospace though - always liked that subject.
 
#4
Shite - that's why I left at the earliest opportunity.

In the main the ones who stay in are the last man standing after the good lads have left.

No proper continuation of all the training you recieve, little command, too much pointless paperwork, too overstretched, too little equipment.... You get the point I presume.

But don't listen to us, it's only the whingers and malingerers that populate the internet forums....

Or the most vocal, depending on your perspective.
 
#7
The Lord Flasheart said:
With the rate people will be signing off soon, you'll make Brigadier in about 3 years flat.
And then he can make all sorts of bone decisions, now wouldn't that be a novel idea, or answer B! :x
 
#9
Not even then lofty.

You'll do 2 - 4 years in the cockpit if you're lucky.

Given the low flying rates due to secondary duties/ unservicabilities/ going uncurrent due to courses/ hours restrictions you'll be very lucky to get 1000 hours.

If you do hit that mark, your next conversation with your Adj will basically consist of him telling you you've had your stint up front, it's now time to get down to the meat of why you're employed as an officer. ie. Management, planning and co-ordination (I know, I know....)

To be fair the Corps doesn't hide that you are employed as an officer as your primary duty and an aviatior second. They just refuse to accept it's a bone system that costs them a lot of people.

Your call at the end of the day, depends where your focus lies. Bear in mind (and it is a trivial point after the fact) that the army pilots course can be half as long as anyone else's, mainly due to no fast jet streaming. Plus you do have options after serving four years from wings.

They may change things for Apache crews, if I was being cynical, I would say they'll cut back airframes rather than extend flying time for officers. I could well be wrong, but no-one currently knows, so don't listen too hard to any rumours or anything they'll tell you at the recruitment door.
 
#10
What about combat? Is more combat time given to NCO's than officers? or is it officers act as pilots NCO's as gunners (ie apache crew, not lynx door gunner)?
 
#11
Re combat time if you go AH you'll get loads in your flying career as an Officer. If you get Lynx, you'll go on ops few times but it all depends on what you mean by "combat".

Do you mean swooping in at 5ft with your 9mm out the window shooting Johnny Turban or are you happy to just be in a theatre of operations? In an ops room?

If you just want to fly then just go RAF. The Army is not an easy option (which is why the RAF exist). If your focus is flying and geting free hours then the AAC is not the place to do it.

You'll be a better person for joining the Army (or Royal Marines) though. I would have gone to Lympstone if i had my time over. Then be a Royal Marines pilot.

It is all a gamble though - you have no guarantee of getting onto the course let alone passing, whereas in the RAF you at least know you are going AS aircrew. Or Navy.

The Royal Navy are good lads and they aren't crabs. If you go Jungly then you'll do all the Ops as well as some cool ship related stuff. Helps if you are gay though. :D
 
#13
S_H - dare I suggest you're joining for the wrong reasons? Join up, bit of occifer training, bit of flying & zipping about, then leave as a chopper pilot? You'd need a bit more motivation and sounder reasons than 'you'll give me a license' fella.
I'm only speaking as Light Blue here of course - the Army chaps would probably take exception to that approach as well tho.
 
#14
Sorry, may have sounded a bit like that.
Becoming an officer is something I have wanted to become for a long time, as is flying helicopters, so i view the Air Corps as being the best way to achieve both. With more than just flying the AAC can offer me what I want, and will leave me with great experiences when I leave.

Also what are promotion prospects for graduate officer in the AAC?
Thanks
Sam
 
#15
I know I wear light blue and I used to wear khaki, but if you want rotary-wing, I'd suggest Navy is the route. :wink:

Even today, though they never admit it, the RAF look at you like you're from Mars if you don't want to fly sharp, pointy things that go at Mach 2. Thus, every rotorhead and trash-hauler in my outfit is a failed fast-jet pilot. :twisted:
 
#16
SH,

I joined up as I wanted to be in the Army, and I wanted to fly, in that order. At the time of recruiting I didn't know if the Army flew space shuttles or hot air balloons!

Army training is, in the main, excellent. It will set you up fantstically for pretty much anything afterwards, though it may induce arrogance and a disdain for anyone with a) Long hair and b) Slovenly manners (ie RAF types).

However, career progression is like flying hours in the corps, hit and miss. Nothing is guarenteed, lots is promised. Currently the powers that be view the corps as not having a retention problem, so see it as fine to stall flying pay and reduce terms and conditions. So you can see why a large numbeer of DE (Direct Entry) officers leave at their first opportunity.

As for 'combat time'... It's a daft question.

J
 
#17
No retention problem here!! Pay?!! Pah - who needs it?!

Terms and conditions- ? That'll be that rubbish Brussels law taking hold! ou don't need those either!

Flying pay is a privilege and a retention tool and it's doing a great job! Also, we have an abundance of DE Officers - too many in fact!

And flying? Well you can fly as much as you want as long as it's not much!

:D
 
#18
You guys sure are good at trying to put me off. But I have my mind set on flying helicopters for a career, and only the AAC can guarentee this. And surely, by spending time in ops etc. it would make me a more rounded person within aviation. Have just had a Squirrel (number 34- Shawbury?/Wallop?) fly right over the house. Have seen some close up of AAC, such as at my local airfield, Eaglescott in Devon, where Gazelles and Squirrels practice drop offs. Intollerence for long hair and bad manners? thats a goog thing surely; last latin teacher was a major, true gent, and a brilliant guy!

Any other ways you guys can think of trying to discourage me?

Thanks
Sam
 
#19
No - the Corps will do that to you all by itself, but you won't believe us :wink:

Your chances of flying helo's are still very high in Crab or Fish Air. It will just be in worse company :D
 
#20
SH,
I'd agree that you're not guaranteed to go rotary in the RAF as requirements vary over time. Last I heard was that the majority of aircrew were being streamed fast jet or rotary, with only a very small number going multi engine. However, given the current PVR rates on the Nimrod and C-130 force, that could swing back soon.

However, I'd say you were as good as guaranteed rotary in the RN as only a very tiny minority go fast jet. The advantages of flying Navy are that they seem to value their aviators more than the AAC and there is arguably more variety in the sort of flying they do (Commando/ISTAR SK, small ship ASuW Lynx, ASaC SK7, ASW/ASuW/ISTAR Merlin and SAR). Don't forget there is always the option of RM pilot although you have to do time as a troop commander before transferring to pilot first.

Whatever your choice, the very best of luck!

Regards,
MM
 
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