What is a pioneer?

#1
For give my ignorance but what exactly in layman's terms is a pioneer?

To me it reads like a semi-skilled assault pioneer/labourer

Would that be a true reflection?
 
#3
A pioneer was a single celled organism and a complete waste of rations, a sort of cardboard cut out soldier we used to lean against things to make a barracks look occupied.

No other use was ever found for them.
 
#4
A pioneer was a single celled organism and a complete waste of rations, a sort of cardboard cut out soldier we used to lean against things to make a barracks look occupied.

No other use was ever found for them.
They did walk the unit pet dog around fences though, they were good at that. Oh and they did clean up after themselves, they were good at that. Oh and they were supposed to clean up after the unit pet dog, they were useless at that.

Dog shit ingrained in denims, the smell just seems to linger. Forever. The twats.
 
#5
The role and function of the Pioneer trade was diminished when an improved version came into service.

The Figure 11......
 
#6
They were very good at kickin' the proverbial crap out of a defencless young Ammo Tech while he was lying in his own bed after a night on the beer at the Lazy K circa 1974. Had to be five of them cos the ringleader would never have had the bottle by himself.
I'd love to meet him again.
A month later one of them even got promoted.
 
#7
If you read books like "change & conflict,i think you will find that they are the jewel in the crown of the RLC . Always there in every action the army has been in!!
 
#9
They regularly get attached to the Royal Engineers to help with tasks that are invaluable, like if some packing is needed to jack a bridge down on to, or you need something to muffle the noise of a six foot picket being smashed in with a sledge hammer. A pioneers head will do on both occasions.

When we taught them mine warfare at 3 trg regt, we had to replace the wording "front towards enemy" on the claymores with "do not eat"
 
#10
We had imposed upon us a troop of TAG's RAF version of Pioneers. Unloading a ship and Mexeflotes in Masirah.Thickest bunch of mongs I ever came across,verging on dangerous. The term TAG team gave a false image. Looked like bespecatled dodgy scouts. Longest 3 days ever!
Apparantely TRADE ASSISTANT GENERAL???
 
#11
Shortfuse, I applaud your "do not eat" line!!
 
#13
If you read books like "change & conflict,i think you will find that they are the jewel in the crown of the RLC . Always there in every action the army has been in!!
Really? Care to expand on that? I'd be particularly interested to hear about the Pioneers exploits at Tora Bora, Tumbledown, Goose Green, South Georgia, Sierra Lione,CIMIC House etc etc or are you saying that they have been in every theatre of ops? In which case most of the ******* Corps was represented so hardly unique and certainly not a jewel worth more than any other in our crown.
 
#14
Ah! you denim wearing ex 70s soldiers. Always good for a chuckle. If you weren't eating sh!t sandwiches you were cracking one out in a guard box in some obscure German village and then fighting with the locals

23 Pioneer Regiment - British Army Website

Not quite the Norman Wisdom style they were when you could fire 3 rounds a minute in any weather but things change don't they?
 
#16
I don't think there were any army bods involved in the retaking of south georgia to be fair BPS666, apart from 22 SAS and they might have all been ex RAF reg!!!!! Senior service party only!!
 
#17
Ah! you denim wearing ex 70s soldiers. Always good for a chuckle. If you weren't eating sh!t sandwiches you were cracking one out in a guard box in some obscure German village and then fighting with the locals

23 Pioneer Regiment - British Army Website

Not quite the Norman Wisdom style they were when you could fire 3 rounds a minute in any weather but things change don't they?
So what's changed there from their previous role then? not a lot really, they still tick the big box marked "works quite well under continuous supervision and provision of regular post lunch break re-training sessions"
 
#18
I thought the Mission of 23 Pnr Regiment was to establish a secure location in the middle of nowhere in order to send all the trolls that failed every test during basic Trg? Once at Bicester the process of sterilisation begins to ensure they do not breed, they are also fed on a diet of ice cream and meths.

I belive this was one of the entrance test questions.

Q - What is your name son?
A - 21 Sir.....

Well done son you are now a Pioneer........Next!
 
#19
They were once known as the Shit'n'Shovel Corps. Cap badge was a pick axe and a spade. Also called the Chunks. Main job was the burial of the dead and other more menial 'engineering' tasks - trenching, fencing, digging latrines. Basically a ramshackle collection of rather dim also-rans who couldn't quite get into an Infantry Regiment. Their officers were something else too. Very few commissioned from RMAS, lots of re-treads that couldn't get anyone else to take them once they'd bought their Marks & Spencer Barbour and polyester flat cap, and those who found themselves 'not wanted' by their original cap badge.

We had them at DQD in the '80s. Maj Gen Gerrard Wright got their Depot closed down as it was so appallingly run and said 'we'll have 'em with us'. They provided an OC (nice chap in my day, but had been hoofed out of his original mob - QOHLDRS? - as not the right sort of chap. He achieved some fame by putting photos of his Mrs in a porn mag whilst in BAOR and then getting 24 hrs to leave Germany when the pics were spotted gracing the inside of his platoons' lockers!) Coy 2i/c was an ex-Household Donkey Walloper with a chip on both shoulders and who fervently refused to accept he wasn't still a Knightsbridge Commando. The Mess had a plague of Chunkie subbies - four of 'em at one time. Shockers, by and large, who struggled with simple tasks such as getting properly dressed and holding their cutlery - their girlfriends were always rather fun though at Mess dos. Can't remember any Seniors but I had 2 RPC Corporals in my training team. In fairness, Cpl R (aka The General) was a cracking chap. Cpl H, however was a nightmare.
 
#20
Operational Hygiene=

Defence Skills (akin to Infantry tasks)=

Artisan (Bricklaying/Concreting and Carpentry)=

Logistic Enabling=

Assault Pioneer=

Mortuary Affairs=

Anyone care to fill in the gaps?
 
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