What if they didn't drop the Nukes?

Sorta like every general who sees new tech working and wants it
But not like every general who understands that war is a means to achieve a political end, though.
 
MacArthur knew nothing of the bomb until it was dropped, and always claimed it was not needed
Trueman also rewrote history in his memoirs in order to portray himself in a better light.

the bomb was never seen as war wining at the time as nobody had ever used one, and most people didn’t understand its power.

the Japanese would’ve lost either way. But it wasn’t necessarily the atomic bombs that did it. They merely sped things up…..but they still should’ve been dropped.
 

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And Empire. And Japanese. How many of us would not be around because our grandfathers were KIA in Japan?
GMF 'Quartered safe out here' raises just that point.
 
And Empire. And Japanese. How many of us would not be around because our grandfathers were KIA in Japan?

I think less than you imagine, but a lot more than desirable.

Remember we were going to be going ashore with five years experience of warfare, and the best kit we could devise based upon that experience. We also had massive overwhelming logistical support and firepower in place. It would not be like the campaigns elsewhere in the world where we had been stretched thin robbing Peter to pay Paul. The operation was the entire might of the Allies scientific, military and sheer muscle turning round and stomping on Japan. In return the Japanese had nothing apart from fanatical indoctrination, manpower and terrain, the latter of which we had experience of fighting in as well elsewhere.

That said it was likely going to be nasty and bloody. I expect the troops would have quickly resorted to blasting their way forward with massive amounts of firepower, and any Japanese seen near them would be shot on sight.

Thing is though, I've heard some historians say that the US didn't want us anywhere near the operation, and were planning on doing it as a solely US operation. In which case, we'd all still be here!
 
I think less than you imagine, but a lot more than desirable.

Remember we were going to be going ashore with five years experience of warfare, and the best kit we could devise based upon that experience. We also had massive overwhelming logistical support and firepower in place. It would not be like the campaigns elsewhere in the world where we had been stretched thin robbing Peter to pay Paul. The operation was the entire might of the Allies scientific, military and sheer muscle turning round and stomping on Japan. In return the Japanese had nothing apart from fanatical indoctrination, manpower and terrain, the latter of which we had experience of fighting in as well elsewhere.

That said it was likely going to be nasty and bloody. I expect the troops would have quickly resorted to blasting their way forward with massive amounts of firepower, and any Japanese seen near them would be shot on sight.

Thing is though, I've heard some historians say that the US didn't want us anywhere near the operation, and were planning on doing it as a solely US operation. In which case, we'd all still be here!
The US wanted the U.K. key at arms length. The US would provide, or fail to provide support in Burma as from the US perspective, they didn’t want French, British or Dutch support in the campaign as rightly or wrongly the US perceived our/their main aim was to reestablish colonial rule. Which to a certain extent is true.

the benefits of armoured British carriers wasn’t lost on the US, who even factoring in anglophonic sentiments from upper class Chelonia of the US war machine. (Admiral King didn’t like us. The OSS seemed to have fallen in love with communist guerrillas, and American foreign policy in China saw China as a special needs child who was a project for the US. The Americans observers has fell for Maos propaganda and supplied him weapons even though he hasn’t done anything. (To be fare, the National alists hadn’t exactly done a great deal against the Japanese either.)

British support was required grudgingly for any invasion of Japan. Following VE Day, Canadians issued orders that only volunteers would remain operation in the Pacific. Australia, military was screwed. It’s conscript army was generally recruited for home defence and could only volunteer to serve abroad. Those who did volunteer found themselves involved in mopping up operations of no strategic or tactical benefit.

moral within the US forces was low. They were seeing colleagues in europe being shipped hike and not being deployed to the pacific.

it’s true that the allies had better weapons and logistics, but that didn’t stop the battles for Iwo Jima and Okinawa being bloody. And let’s not forget, those were isolated outposts. Much as been said about the failure of Japanese kamikaze submarines. Most of those had been held back on the mainland to defend the home islands. So yes, god knows how many casualties those would’ve created in an anchorage on the home islands.

And let’s not forget, a Japanese submarine sending chemical weapons to Saipan was fortunately sunk before it got there. Would you fancy assaulting a mountainous country, with a fanatic military and population fighting against you who has no compunction using chemical and/or biological weapons against you?
 
To be fare, the National alists hadn’t exactly done a great deal against the Japanese either.)
Apart from gutting their nation in 8 years of total war which began long before we ever considered getting involved.

But apart from that,...
 

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