What if the moon landings went wrong? Deep fake videos and misinformation capabilities

No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

BUT remember the black astronaut candidate 'railroaded' into the program?
Ed Dwight.
And Robert Lawrence?
Yes, good for PR, but Dwight always maintained he was a pilot, not a 'talking head'
"Bobby Kennedy wants a colored in space. Get one into your course."
Not just NASA… Tim Mace missed his trip to space because Helen Sharman was a woman working for Mars…

edit: ‘Woman’ box…Tick
‘Crappy Sun headlines’…Tick
‘Experienced pilot, leader, parachutist etc…’. Err… nah.

They possibly found out that he could play the banjo.
 
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Professors Brian Cox and Jim Al-Khalili might disagree with you.
Do you think the BBC would send someone with actual knowledge and experience to interview astronauts, it would be LK trying to blame Boris for some minor detail....grrrr
 
Only if they couldnt get in a "So what your saying is" or a "Do you think you should apologise for not having a representative of aall 107 genders in your 3 man person individial capsule" followed by a segment on why the Saturn rocket needs radical redesign because ""Aerodynamics are no excuse its hideously white and Patriachally Phallocentric in appearance - a boon for mysogonists every where and bullies women from applying""
For phallocentric rocketry, please refer to Jeff Bozo
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Themanwho

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Fair point.

I'd still expect the tours to be like the ones pilots did round the US during the war.

'I'm a thoroughly competent pilot with a proven record and I'm here to bang the drum'.
Very much so, along with TV appearances (eg: John Glenn pre Space on some game show IIRC), and schmoozing of Senators, Governers etc. They were bigger than the popstars of the day for much of the Sixties - it wasn't just pubescent girls who wanted to see them, their Mums, Dads and brothers did too, although probably with less screaming.
 
Going back to the topic - deep fakes - can you imagine if the U.K Government in an attempt to boost UK prestige cooked up a scheme to build pretend SSBNS in a secret facility, dragged in the MOD, the Treasury, the CS, along with the RN, and BAE to make this happen with a mandate to provide proof videos of multiple launches and showing surface speeds of 65 knots+ in less than 5 years time.

The scale of the conspiracy would be enormous, the chances of just one disgruntled person surfacing and blowing the whistle would be enormous, the press would torpedo the plan lickity split, and the respect for the RN would go down the tubes.

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But how do we know this hasn't happened already?

Since the beginning of Britains SSBNS program I've heard thousands of workers have died and yet these suspicous deaths haven't been reported on or investigated by the police. Strange.
 
Going back to the topic - deep fakes - can you imagine if the U.K Government in an attempt to boost UK prestige cooked up a scheme to build pretend SSBNS in a secret facility, dragged in the MOD, the Treasury, the CS, along with the RN, and BAE to make this happen with a mandate to provide proof videos of multiple launches and showing surface speeds of 65 knots+ in less than 5 years time.

The scale of the conspiracy would be enormous, the chances of just one disgruntled person surfacing and blowing the whistle would be enormous, the press would torpedo the plan lickity split, and the respect for the RN would go down the tubes.

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But how do we know this hasn't happened already?

Since the beginning of Britains SSBNS program I've heard thousands of workers have died and yet these suspicous deaths haven't been reported on or investigated by the police. Strange.
AND, as I've scribbled above, the Russkis and Chinese would have blown the whole story out of the water across the front pages.
 
I would disagree, if you read The Right Stuff or pretty much any other book about the early days of NASA, it's clear that PR was always at the heart of the American space programme. "Your Tax Dollars at Work to Beat the Reds" was the message, and every astronaut was expected to take part in long publicity tours. They were salesmen for space, they knew it, and the took it seriously.
I think it was Gus Grissom who said on a visit to one of the contractors, mindful of the fact that they were building the bucket he was going up in, but not being the most 'verbose' of communicators, just told the assembled audience 'Do good work', and walked off the podium
 
I think it was Gus Grissom who said on a visit to one of the contractors, mindful of the fact that they were building the bucket he was going up in, but not being the most 'verbose' of communicators, just told the assembled audience 'Do good work', and walked off the podium
.....and that's why they gave Gus a faulty door.

Selected as one of the Mercury Seven astronauts, Grissom was the pilot of Mercury-Redstone 4 (Liberty Bell), the second American suborbital flight, on July 21, 1961. At the end of the flight, the capsule's hatch blew off prematurely after it landed in the Atlantic Ocean. Grissom was picked up by recovery helicopters, but the blown hatch caused the craft to fill with water and sink.

RIP to the guy though, he did have balls.

Grissom, commander of AS-204 (Apollo 1), died along with his fellow astronauts Ed White and Roger B. Chaffee on January 27, 1967, during a pre-launch test for the Apollo 1 mission at Cape Kennedy, Florida.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Grissom, commander of AS-204 (Apollo 1), died along with his fellow astronauts Ed White and Roger B. Chaffee on January 27, 1967, during a pre-launch test for the Apollo 1 mission at Cape Kennedy, Florida.
Which was particularly grim - all 3 burnt alive in an oxygen fire in a few seconds whilst trying to unstrap and get out. Took a while to remove their remains as they were welded onto their seats.

Apollo 2 must have had balls of steel.
 
yep.
Text of William Safire’s speech for President Richard Nixon, in the event of a disaster besetting Apollo 11.


For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.

Blatantly lifted from Brooke.


If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Yep, a trio of chaps whose daytime job is flying high performance aircraft in war.
Or training for war.
Their next assignment was th most intensive training ever, in a field which has never been attempted.
And... yep, they were pretty cool and relaxed.
They had 'the right stuff'. Obviously conspiraloons cannot grasp this concept.
As an aside, I met that Andy Green chap a while baclk.
Laid back, lagubrious... yep. I'd never tell HIM he was talking bollocks about driving at 1000mph.

Indeed. Pick highly skilled candidates from already trained airforce pilots, put them through more gruelling selection and training process for space flights in addition to what they know already, from these whittle them down to those who will actually be on the Apollo mission, isolate them pre-flight so they don’t catch lurgy, spend days in a cramped capsule dealing with G forces and shitting in a bag for relief, two of them land the craft and walk the moon whilst the third orbits, blast back up and return to Earth and splash down, stay in quarantine and then deal with the press whilst actually all they may want to do is to get home and see family.

Yeah right, conspiraloons have got it figured.
 

Allan74

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This is an interesting piece (well I think so) and raises the subject of what could be done with deep fake video capabilities to ‘enhance’ the credibility of misinformation:

What if the moon landing went wrong ? :

What if the moon landing had gone wrong...well those model makers would be crosser than your Mum was when you broke an ornament...
 

Allan74

Old-Salt
Indeed. Pick highly skilled candidates from already trained airforce pilots, put them through more gruelling selection and training process for space flights in addition to what they know already, from these whittle them down to those who will actually be on the Apollo mission, isolate them pre-flight so they don’t catch lurgy, spend days in a cramped capsule dealing with G forces and shitting in a bag for relief, two of them land the craft and walk the moon whilst the third orbits, blast back up and return to Earth and splash down, stay in quarantine and then deal with the press whilst actually all they may want to do is to get home and see family.

Yeah right, conspiraloons have got it figured.
Conspiracy Loons...have you not seen Capricorn One?
 
Youtube seem to have done a purge of their videos, but there were at one time plenty of ones which claimed that the Mars probe landings were faked and were actually shot on an island in northern Canada.

Here's a serious web site explaining what goes on there, which is basically training and testing for an actual trip to Mars.
Haughton-Mars Project (HMP)

NASA are involved in this. Google sent some people to walk around and video the place for Street View (there are of course no roads on the island, which is uninhabited).

A number of conspiracy nutters have found the Google Street View images, looked around and found equipment with NASA logos on it. These include experimental rovers. They then made videos about how this proves that the actual Mars rovers are faked and it was all in reality shot on Devon Island in Canada.

The area being used for the project looks quite a bit like Mars, which is why the scientists go through such an effort to get there.

 
Youtube seem to have done a purge of their videos, but there were at one time plenty of ones which claimed that the Mars probe landings were faked and were actually shot on an island in northern Canada.

Here's a serious web site explaining what goes on there, which is basically training and testing for an actual trip to Mars.
Haughton-Mars Project (HMP)

NASA are involved in this. Google sent some people to walk around and video the place for Street View (there are of course no roads on the island, which is uninhabited).

A number of conspiracy nutters have found the Google Street View images, looked around and found equipment with NASA logos on it. These include experimental rovers. They then made videos about how this proves that the actual Mars rovers are faked and it was all in reality shot on Devon Island in Canada.

The area being used for the project looks quite a bit like Mars, which is why the scientists go through such an effort to get there.
Oh yes, the top secret base that has been written about since 1997.

You can see why Devon Island was chosen.
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The HMP is centered on the scientific study of the Haughton Crater, a 20 km diameter meteorite impact crater that formed about 23 million years ago, and surrounding terrain on Devon Island, High Arctic, viewed as a planetary analog, in particular for the Moon and Mars.

Devon Island is located in the territory of Nunavut, Canada. It is the largest uninhabited island on Earth. The environment on Devon Island is best described as “polar desert” (not “tundra”), meaning that it is both very cold and dry. Devon Island presents the single largest continuous area of barren rocky polar desert on Earth.
 
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