What if NI kicked off again.....?

Discussion in 'The Intelligence Cell' started by postman_twit, Nov 27, 2012.

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  1. Was having a think the other day on this topic.

    Given the technological advances in the last 20 years what would a future conflict in the Province look like??? How would post 9/11 Anti Terrorism legislation play out?

    Would we see Predators and Apaches overhead? Would the Iranians fill the natural void left by the Libyians? Would we see Paddy on a rendition flight to Gitmo?

    Would the latest armoured vehicles mean that patrolling by road could be a viable option?

    Would the improved ISTAR abilities hamstring the blokes that never went away?

    Thoughts?
     
  2. I thought our septic cousins were all for a fully independent Ireland as their great, great, great, great, great grandad's neighbour's cat was Irish.

    Or something like that.
     
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  3. It would be exactly the same as last time but with snazzier uniforms. Some improved ISTAR maybe, but do you think the rest of the world would think it acceptable to see a MASTIFF rolling down the Falls Road?
     
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  4. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    I understand your question but fear you misunderstand what the new ways of meeting and fighting terrorism really mean. The army are now very skilled at meeting the insurgent threat. However, what has not changed is the politician.

    If the army tried to operate effectively as they have done in recent operations then they will be hamstrung by the politicians to such an extent that if Ulster kicked off again in the same scale we would be there for another 30 to 40 years with soldiers being persecuted decades after events just to appease the terrorists.

    Simples.
     
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  5. All terrorists were born equal. If it's good enough for Terry! We wouldn't want Paddy suing for discrimination now would we????
     
  6. Thinking purely as a Military option though.....
     
  7. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Nuke the ******* place then!
     
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  8. Fooking Liberal!!! :)
     
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  9. The PSNI will have a very hard time.

    You will never see troops on the streets of NI again, at any price.
     
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  10. A mastif woud never get round the tight bend going into Sainsburys at the top of the falls anyway.
     
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  11. Never say never. Instant HESCO bases.
     
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  12. No need to send troops. Just fill the place with asylum seekers.
     
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  13. Dunno what mob you were in but we trained hard and were very effective at fighting the terrorists in NI. Hence why there were rarely confrontational set pieces but rather a war of attrition with snipers, bombs and civil confrontation with both but, mainly nationalist communities.

    Before anybody starts off about other more recent conflicts, they are entirely different in just about everyway. The tempo, the cultural differences, the scale etc, there isn't any comparison.

    We operated in NI with the latest gear available at the time, we geared our response to what was going on where we happened to be, i.e. in built up environments or out in the countryside and we dominated the ground.

    Of course there were limitations on resources and of course, we couldn't be all things to everything or everybody but we were effective given those limitations.

    The political stuff will always be something that the Army has to work with! We do live in a democracy and that's how we do it.
     
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  14. They'd just go home.
     
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  15. AY is correct, we could - given the massive advances in ISTAR, communications, targetting, weapons delivery etc.. go after 'new IRA' with a gusto that would make Loughgall look like a protracted, knife-edge fight. the problem is that no government is going to allow us to go after white people who speak English (ish) in the way our society is happy for us to go after our enemies who happen to be brown, who don't speak English, and who live in a place most Brits couldn't find on a map.

    they take a Brigade+ formation that was batting the shit out of the most militarily effective non-state actor we've ever fought, take all its kit away, and have soldiers wander around with 'shoot me, and we'll do fcuk all' in 50ft neon lights suspended above them.

    AY is however incorrect as to the winner - PIRA was formed to bring about a marxist/socialist 32 county republic outside of the control of the UK, regardless of the views of those who happen to live there.

    PIRA buried their weapons, ceased operations, and signed up to a 6 county NI as a constituant part of the UK. in return they got a 32 county tourist information service.

    the noise you can hear is Bobby Sands spinning in his grave - he speeds up if St Gerry or St Martin walk by - PIRA/PSF didn't lose because they sold out, they sold out because they lost.

    its remarkable that both deluded members/supporters of SF and former soldiers believe the same thing - that the IRA won - especially when its not true...
     
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