WHAT HAVE THEY GOT TO HIDE THEN ?

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ALVIN

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Jack straw has just said that he is to VETO the request for the mins of the iraq war to be relesed in to the public domaine. But guilty people do that sort of thing when they have something to hide dont they ? :!: ----- National securety my ARRSE :!: ----- He knows hes been rumbled and takes the cowards way out, --- Hide behind diploatic imunity :!:
 
According to Radio 5, the Gov have stated that "releasing the documents would threaten democracy" - of course, how stupid of me, keeping national decisions of such magnitude as putting the country at war has to remain secret...
 
What are the chances of jail terms/war crimes trials when labour are out of office and the truth comes out?

:?

Rodney2q
 

dante242

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I served out there in 2004 and believe now as I did then that the decision was correct to invade.......how we managed the "peace" is another question....

However there is no excuse not to release the details as to how the decision came about....bad day for democracy and another example of how in bed the Tories and NuLabour are......for god sake you shower show some balls...is there no one out there who is going to speak for us or do we have to do it ourselves ...............................................and breath :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
Just what the f*ck are the Tories doing supporting this veto?

What have they to fear? Except spineless collusion and a mental block.

My Tory MP, I am a member of the Conservative Party, gets my letter of enquiry and protest tomorrow.
 
lsquared said:
Just what the f*ck are the Tories doing supporting this veto?

What have they to fear? Except spineless collusion and a mental block.

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What stood behind their "spineless collusion and a mental block"?..
 
As Sir Humphry Appleby once said...

"The official secrets act isn´t for protecting secrets... it´s for protecting officials...."
 
How dare you question the integrity of Comrade Straw?

:roll:
 
Democrecy-, Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives, DER don't get it. Straw works for us, we don't work for him YET
 
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." Where have I heard that before, Mr Straw?
 
tropper66 said:
Democrecy-, Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives, DER don't get it. Straw works for us, we don't work for him YET

Rephrasing Edward Dowling, -- The two greatest obstacles to democracy ... are, first, the widespread delusion among the populace that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among those in power, lest we get it.
 

oldgoat

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lsquared said:
Just what the f*ck are the Tories doing supporting this veto?

What have they to fear? Except spineless collusion and a mental block.

My Tory MP, I am a member of the Conservative Party, gets my letter of enquiry and protest tomorrow.

Would the conservative party be more afraid of the minutes during maggies dictatorship in 1982 being released?
 

BuggerAll

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oldgoat said:
lsquared said:
Just what the f*ck are the Tories doing supporting this veto?

What have they to fear? Except spineless collusion and a mental block.

My Tory MP, I am a member of the Conservative Party, gets my letter of enquiry and protest tomorrow.

Would the conservative party be more afraid of the minutes during maggies dictatorship in 1982 being released?

Are you suggesting some potential embarrassment/illegality over the decisions that led up to CORPORATE? There were some very poor 'signals' given to the Argentinians pre-conflict that led them to believe we would not contest their occupation but thats all public anyway.
 
I would love to know the true background to my long sojourn in the Kuwait/Iraq desert rather than the speculation that has surrounded the whole sorry business.

However, I accept Mr Staw's position that Government cannot operate properly if every decision is immediately dissected by political commentators. That is the reason why we have the 30 year rule - and why certain subjects can be kept secret for even longer.

I think this Government has been hoisted by its own petard because it didn't have to pass the FoI Act. But governments rarely think about the consequences of their own actions.

Litotes
 
Litotes said:
However, I accept Mr Staw's position that Government cannot operate properly if every decision is immediately dissected by political commentators. That is the reason why we have the 30 year rule - and why certain subjects can be kept secret for even longer.

Why the government can't operate properly without the background for their decisions kept secret for 30 years and longer?

Is it the question of government operating properly, or the government officials safeguarding themselves against possible prosecution?
 

BuggerAll

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Domovoy said:
Litotes said:
However, I accept Mr Staw's position that Government cannot operate properly if every decision is immediately dissected by political commentators. That is the reason why we have the 30 year rule - and why certain subjects can be kept secret for even longer.

Why the government can't operate properly without the background for their decisions kept secret for 30 years and longer?

Is it the question of government operating properly, or the government officials safeguarding themselves against possible persecutions?

I suspect you mean 'prosecution'. The reason is thatit is felt that people may feel constrained in the advice they give if they feel that that their discussions will become public..

For example an 'advisor' may be saying - Minister if you wish to achieve X then you must do Y'. It does not necessarily mean that the advisor agrees with doing Y.
 
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