What has happened to respect for our fallen comrades ?

Should I don my smoking jacket and retire to the Mess ?

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#1
I attended a Remembrance Church service today in Tidworth and was astonished to see some of the lack of respect that a few of my fellow officers showed during the service. Along with the 'usual' chatting to each other during the service and not standing to attention during the Last Post or National Anthem, I was amazed to see a young Capt Gunner in the congregation who chewed gum during THE WHOLE SERVICE :x
What is going on in the officer Corps ? Is 'respect' a dirty word now ?
And before anyone makes the quip - yes, I should have remonstrated with him at the time, but I wanted to believe that he would do 'the right thing' at some stage in the service.
Maybe it was different 20 years ago when I joined :? ...
 
#2
Although voting with the majority, I can remember church parade as being a time of a quick chat and general looking around (but definitely not chewing, unless the lad was on Nicorettes). However, the CO or Adjutant would take an interest and the guilty few gripped.
Perhaps this no longer happens? Were the CO and Adjt there? Perhaps too many with a future (for that's what they are) are too busy looking up than down (to quote de la Billier).
Extras all round!
 
#3
WincoSlayer said:
Is 'respect' a dirty word now ?
It's a sign of the times. The army and it's recruits are a reflection of English society in General. Without a major positive change in English society (which I dont think will happen) things will just carry on going down hill. A sence of pride and honour is needed, but I feel that era has gone & is probaly lost forever.
 
#4
This came to me as result of my Padres Flag thread. Had been bit cautious about repeating it but I suppose it is a point of view
This is my central point - Britain today is sadly not the sort of society our forefathers fought to preserve during their time in fierce battle. As I remarked to a friend in the pub last night, if those soldiers had been able to look into the future and see the Great Britain they were fighting for, reduced to what it is now....I wonder if half of them would have said to themselves "S*d this, lads, this is not going to turn out to be a country worth fighting for. Let's go home, our sacrifice will eventually be all for nothing
 
#5
I also attended a service today and the amount of guys, SNCO's included, who stood chewing gum was embarassing. I'm out now but wanted to show my respect with the Corps I served with. What a mistake.

What ever happened to commanders briefing guys before marching them to church. 50% of the lads didn't even have the full no2 dress on.

One (ex slop) LE Capt was the only person to grip the guys at the end.
 
#6
It's not as if Remembrance Sunday's a new thing is it? I mean, it's been "celebrated" (for want of a better word) since just after WWI! So you could say that it's become a part of UK tradition.

If that's the case (and I very much hope it is), is its observance and the traditions it encompasses not a part of the normal UK school currriculum?

Confused of Bannaigh-a-gHoerph. :D :D :D

MsG

PS. The question itself is absolutely genuine!
 
#7
Bugsy7 said:
If that's the case (and I very much hope it is), is its observance and the traditions it encompasses not a part of the normal UK school currriculum?
I'm sure it isn't - the children will be too busy learning about how bad the Empire was, and so on - taught in many, many languages by teachers in veils.

On a serious note, I think that teaching children about war and remembrance is important. Perhaps if more attention was paid to it, those who have come from overseas, or whose family life remains non-British would have a better understanding of what the country and its society is about.
 
#8
ViroBono said:
I'm sure it isn't - the children will be too busy learning about how bad the Empire was, and so on - taught in many, many languages by teachers in veils.
I dont think teachers will be allowed to say anything positive about the British Empire. The way the media talks about the British Empire and all the none white countries it governed, you'd think it had been led by the love child of Stalin & Hitler (if that was at all possible).

Even to say something positive about the British Empire would mark you out as some sort of fascist to many people in modern day England. I often say very positive things about England and the old British Empire, but I know in saying such things what the (PC) Blairite view of me would be... :roll:
 
#9
AnglianGuard said:
ViroBono said:
Bugsy7 said:
I'm sure it isn't - the children will be too busy learning about how bad the Empire was, and so on - taught in many, many languages by teachers in veils.
I dont think teachers will be allowed to say anything positive about the British Empire. The way the media talks about the British Empire and all the none white countries it governed, you'd think it had been led by the love child of Stalin & Hitler (if that was at all possible).

Even to say something positive about the British Empire would mark you out as some sort of fascist to many people in modern day England. I often say very positive things about England and the old British Empire, but I know in saying such things what the (PC) Blairite view of me would be... :roll:
All hail to your opinion, AnglianGuard, but try to get your quotes right, me old mucker! I might already be in hot water, so try to sort this, will'ya?

MsG
 
#10
Bugsy7 said:
AnglianGuard said:
ViroBono said:
Bugsy7 said:
I'm sure it isn't - the children will be too busy learning about how bad the Empire was, and so on - taught in many, many languages by teachers in veils.
I dont think teachers will be allowed to say anything positive about the British Empire. The way the media talks about the British Empire and all the none white countries it governed, you'd think it had been led by the love child of Stalin & Hitler (if that was at all possible).

Even to say something positive about the British Empire would mark you out as some sort of fascist to many people in modern day England. I often say very positive things about England and the old British Empire, but I know in saying such things what the (PC) Blairite view of me would be... :roll:
All hail to your opinion, AnglianGuard, but try to get your quotes right, me old mucker! I might already be in hot water, so try to sort this, will'ya?

MsG
I will try mate :wink: Being in hot water seems to be a way of life for many free thinkers these days. B'liars thought police will be logging our IP addresses soon for saying anything positive about England or the British Empire. :lol:
 
#11
AnglianGuard said:
I will try mate :wink: Being in hot water seems to be a way of life for many free thinkers these days. B'liars thought police will be logging our IP addresses soon for saying anything positive about England or the British Empire. :lol:
Dear AngianGuard: I hardly think that Phoney Tony and his band of crooks are likely to pull up me personally for any "positive" utterances about the "British Empire" (me being Irish and such), but there could be some truth to what you're saying about them clocking us. I mean, who knows?

*Bugsy dons Bacofoil hat*

MsG

Edited to add: I see your point and difficulty with the quotes! Sorry about that!
 
#13
asr1 said:
our service was ruined by the screams and howls of legions of pads brats. time and a place and all that.
Well, that's a very novel approach, asr1! Care to elucidate?

MsG
 
#14
if the little rats are too young to be able to keep quiet and not cry/gurgle/sing/scream throughout then they should be at home.
 
#15
Whilst at JHQ a few years ago I recall the Remembrance service being advertised as unsuitable for very young children and a creche was provided, and yet still the two minute silence was broken by the constant wailing of a toddler, which interruption was remarked upon with disapprobation by the Minister.

Last year, at Lisburn, the entire service was punctuated by the screams and tiresome chatter of two or three small urchins, whose parents seemed utterly unable or unwilling to control them. Clearly small children do not appreciate either the solemnity of the occasion, or the deep importance it has for some people; I do not think it unreasonable for them to be excluded.

Even though, through choice, I do not have children, I do not think it unreasonable to expect parents to control their spawn if they have no cellar and must bring them.

On the other hand, perhaps we should applaud all who turn up, children or no, since some seem to view it as no more than an interruption to their Sunday routine of shopping.
 
#16
WincoSlayer said:
I attended a Remembrance Church service today in Tidworth and was astonished to see some of the lack of respect that a few of my fellow officers showed during the service. Along with the 'usual' chatting to each other during the service and not standing to attention during the Last Post or National Anthem, I was amazed to see a young Capt Gunner in the congregation who chewed gum during THE WHOLE SERVICE :x
What is going on in the officer Corps ? Is 'respect' a dirty word now ?
And before anyone makes the quip - yes, I should have remonstrated with him at the time, but I wanted to believe that he would do 'the right thing' at some stage in the service.
Maybe it was different 20 years ago when I joined :? ...
(My bold) Well I would hope that's the Ord Offr Duty List sorted for the next month or two .... but probably not judging by some of the other post's in here.... shame. IMHO The individual(s) is/are bringing their Commission into disrespect and to some extenct those of every Officer on Parade.

As to the kids making a racket, I agree totally, time for the parents to control their kids. But then again while the rugrats should know better I wonder just how many get to go to church every sunday thereby learning some self discipline and the required behaviour in a church?
 
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#17
AnglianGuard said:
WincoSlayer said:
Is 'respect' a dirty word now ?
It's a sign of the times. The army and it's recruits are a reflection of English society in General. Without a major positive change in English society (which I dont think will happen) things will just carry on going down hill. A sence of pride and honour is needed, but I feel that era has gone & is probaly lost forever.
I disagree. This is not a sign of the times and would not happen in my regiment. If you want to see what the "ASBO"/ "playstation" generation are capable of, then listen to the stories coming out of Iraq/ AFG. They are every bit as good as their forefathers. This is simply a case of poor discipline and should have been gripped, end of story. Meanwhile, the Adjt of whichever lot it was should have a letter dropping on his desk tomorrow morning.
 
#18
asr1 said:
if the little rats are too young to be able to keep quiet and not cry/gurgle/sing/scream throughout then they should be at home.
Aah, gottcha, asr1! Yes, I agree that the solemnity of the occasion is somewhat marred by said kids. Although personally I don't have a particular problem with them.

MsG
 
#19
WincoSlayer said:
I attended a Remembrance Church service today in Tidworth ... I was amazed to see a young Capt Gunner in the congregation who chewed gum during THE WHOLE SERVICE :x
Since it was Tidworth, the gunner was likely 1 RHA which makes it even worse than if a "flattie" had been doing it; after all these are the people who are supposed to be imparting polish to the rest of the Regiment!

If I was you, I would mention this to the Adjt. I have a horrible feeling, given his behaviour, that it may have been a certain youngster whom I have seen letting the side down before in the land of maple syrup...
 
#20
asr1 said:
our service was ruined by the screams and howls of legions of pads brats. time and a place and all that.
That's pretty old fashioned of you! Are they only allowed to attend if their father has died?
 

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