What happens if someone is stood down from a deployment at short notice?

#1
My partner, in the TA for 10 years, was due to deploy to Afghanistan in the next few weeks. This would have been his 2nd voluntary mobilisation in 2 years. He has been with his unit for 2 months in the UK and now has been told to stand down.
Does anyone know what the rules are around this? Does the army have a duty to give him employment elsewhere till the end of his original deployment period, or are they within their rights to terminate his mobilisation?
 
#4
He did passed through RTMC 2 months ago and has been with his unit since then. I believe he and 4 others have been stood down as the jobs have been subsumed into a new unit. I just wondered if there was any hard, fast general rule.
Thank you.
 
#8
I'd have thought RTMC would know what posts were available. I'm also suprised his unit is dumping warm bodies. can't believe someone thinks that they don't need the bodies
 

The_Duke

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#9
I'd have thought RTMC would know what posts were available. I'm also suprised his unit is dumping warm bodies. can't believe someone thinks that they don't need the bodies
Units will often send more through RTMC than they need/can accept. If they don't then the usual wastage incurred by people having G1 issues, being injured on MST etc will result in a shortfall. From memory, it is around 2 names taken per job to be filled, which will end up being between 1.25 to 1.5 per job by the time they get to RTMC, leaving hopefully around 1 person per job once through RTMC and trained at unit.

However, a unit can only deploy to the number of PIDs it has. If everyone who mobilises makes it through the training package intact, then some people may have to be stood down or jobs found for them elsewhere. This assumes that they are all of the quality required forthe role they were mobilised to do.
 
#10
Units will often send more through RTMC than they need/can accept. If they don't then the usual wastage incurred by people having G1 issues, being injured on MST etc will result in a shortfall. From memory, it is around 2 names taken per job to be filled, which will end up being between 1.25 to 1.5 per job by the time they get to RTMC, leaving hopefully around 1 person per job once through RTMC and trained at unit.

However, a unit can only deploy to the number of PIDs it has. If everyone who mobilises makes it through the training package intact, then some people may have to be stood down or jobs found for them elsewhere. This assumes that they are all of the quality required forthe role they were mobilised to do.

Just puzzled. I've never done a tour with a fully manned Infantry unit and we could have done with a few extra bodies during the R&R plot. On my second tour I got dumped with 6 man to do guard on a site for a week and left there as there was nobody spare to start swapping around. Ended up a nice little number ;-)

Or is the whole "Hard limit" on bodies incountry biting hard ?
 

The_Duke

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#11
The hard limit has always applied. The cynic in me says that not all relevant facts have been posted on here. The theory is that more people can be mobilised than PIDs available - especially is there are lots of people taken "at risk". If you have one job to fill, accept the 3 fatties and demobilise the 2 worst salad dodgers just before flying out.
 

OldSnowy

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#12
This occurs with some regularity: RTMC will be able to advise in more detail. The only difficulty that occurs, at least from an Army viewpoint, is if they have come to the usual (statutory) arrangement to pay an employer any costs of covering for a mobilised employee. In that case, some companies want to keep on their Temp, and keep getting the MOD money, for the 'normal' mobilisation period - when this happens, the Army usually finds the Soldier something else to do (that is related to the Op in question - see below).

If this is not the case, it is common enough for the period of mobilisation to be terminated by the Army. There is no appeal against this. If they don't want/need someone, they'll just let them go. People are only mobilised in support of specific Ops, and if not needed for that, cannot legally be kept on the books. Check out the Rereve Forces Act for details.
 
#13
Does anyone know what the rules are around this? Does the army have a duty to give him employment elsewhere till the end of his original deployment period, or are they within their rights to terminate his mobilisation?
No idea on the rules, however there is also a moral (and indeed morale) side to the issue, especially if he has been released from civ employment etc. My old unit always took them on MTD's and chased alternative employment for anyone in this position. We had a few that gave up civ job, gave up rented flat, etc. as they were supposedly going away for a year and were suddenly back in town homeless and jobless. Have also experience of employers filling civ job with a replacement on 12month contract, so they wouldn't take person back on when Mobilisation fell through 2 months in.

It's fine for regulars to be RTU'd when a post falls through, however when TA pers have taken time out of civ job etc. it's a different matter. The impact on others in the unit who may have been considering mobilisation and on civilian employers who have been ****d about also needs to be considered.
 
#14
If this is not the case, it is common enough for the period of mobilisation to be terminated by the Army. There is no appeal against this. If they don't want/need someone, they'll just let them go. People are only mobilised in support of specific Ops, and if not needed for that, cannot legally be kept on the books. Check out the Rereve Forces Act for details.
That said, there seem to be a number of people who were mobilised and were subsequently offered jobs at Chilwell.

msr
 
#15
Can't comment about the process during the current unpleasantness, but something similar happened to a lad who joined the Regt for a tour in Bosnia, he was a HHI and the job we did lost its heli role just before deployment, loads of regs were stood down as well, he effectively was jobless, but because he was contracted to work for the 6 months on tour he ended up going doing all manner of odd jobs, all well below his rank expectations.
 
#16
Have any ARRSERS(V) been in the position where they have been mobilised, completed several months of PDT and MST and then days before flying been told the post they were filling has been cut?
 
#17
Have any ARRSERS(V) been in the position where they have been mobilised, completed several months of PDT and MST and then days before flying been told the post they were filling has been cut?
1 R IRISH where told, just before Christmas and just after their last river crossing on SPTA, that they where not going on H18.

When did the Belfast rioting start?
 
#18
Have any ARRSERS(V) been in the position where they have been mobilised, completed several months of PDT and MST and then days before flying been told the post they were filling has been cut?
The post I was supposed to fill on TELIC6 was cut three months before I was mobilised. Not that that fact stopped anyone sending me to Basrah to fill that position or the Mobilisation Cell informing anyone that I was coming ...
 
#20
Royal Irish got the official nod last week at Lydd, got a few blokes here in the same boat after our Coy we are deploying with got stood down. Some of us got folded into a sister Coy but that doesnt mean to say we will be deploying.....
 

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