What does the Left have to offer the UK?

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  1. We have had the National Assistance Act and the NHS. The minimum wage ensures workers have the right to fair pay and Labour laws protect them at work. All these things were decided in the past and with Labour having had thirteen years of passing a law everyday surely there can be little for Labour to do. So what about the Unions? I must admit I personally see no reason for them to even exist in the present day and after watching the disgraceful strikes at BA, the bellicose threats of various union leaders and the recent march through London, I am of the opinion that they are nothing more than organised ways of getting funds from the workers to fuel the political aims of a few, very powerful, yet very unsavoury individuals.

    So the question is; at this moment in time what is it that the left is offering that this country needs, other than simply being in opposition?
  2. Labour never had anything to offer 'the workers'. If it was all about 'the workers', Herr Hitler would be the darling of international socialism as he introduced far more and more far reaching workers rights and reforms.

    Labour exists so that angst ridden upper class idiologues can lord it over the peasants without being seen to be lording it over said peasants and making an excellent living while doing so.

    Exhibit A: Harriet Ruth Harman, QC

    Her aunt was Elizabeth Pakenham, Countess of Longford, and her cousins include writers Lady Antonia Fraser and Lady Rachel Billington.
  3. What did the Romans ever do for us?
  4. Put quite simply: a utopian promise they can't deliver on.

    They've bankrupted the country and bankrolled the middle classes and when faced with the choice of rolling back the public sector to the levels not seen since 2008 (oh the shock!) they are starting to look attractive again. Look at it this way: if you are Islington Council's Black, Lesbian, and Transgendered Equality in the Nuclear Free-Zone Co-Ordinator, the chances are your job is safe. Why? Because you are part of the new left middle-class establishment and they won't turn on their own. If you are a street cleaner, working class, and actually needed then all I can say is "unlucky" because you'r jobs a gonner. The cynacism of the left is that they sneer on the likes of the street cleaner, but tell him he has to be part of the "struggle" against the Tory "class war" and they keep him on-side partly because he's socially engrained to always vote Labour and also because he fears for his future.

    The left has become the great suckling tit of the age and nobody's going to actively want to vote to remove the promise of total employment and "public services" stepping in and doing everything for you. The problem is, as Maggie Thatcher said, is that sooner or later the socialists run out of other people's money. And then what?

    For as long as people want to have their cake and eat it the Left will always exist.
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  5. This may be true but regardless of who enacted them there are plenty of safety nets and professional bodies to keep the workers and the poor in beer and tabs. So the question still stands. Labour what is it good for?
  6. maguire

    maguire LE Book Reviewer

    while not a fan of bob crow and his ilk by any means, I've worked for a few firms where if a union hadnt been present, the staff would have been run roughshod over completely, rather than just being treated like sh**e. when the balance swings from them looking out for their members interests towards acting as a vehicle for their leader's ego however, is where the problems start IMHO.
  7. In the intrest of fairness what the **** has the right ever done for us?
  8. A fair question but not the one I asked. Maybe you would like to point us towards a few grand aims of the left. On the right I would say smaller government and thus a reduction in state spending is the current aim.

  9. Bait and switch is a standard tactic of the non employed left when someone asks them an awkward question.

    Funny thing is, if they got the socialism they so crave, the skiving gits would find themselves gainfully employed in a gulag.
  10. The key change in Labour Party ideology occurred when Clause IV of the Labour Party Constitution was changed by Tory Blair in 1994 from:

    "To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

    To the wishy washy:

    "The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect."

    This was the slip that allowed the Chardonay Socialists to take over.

    The strength of a democratic society is a loyal opposition with clear goals which subjects proposed policies to effective scrutiny and debate. At the moment there does not seem to be much ideological substance to either Party and even less effective scrutiny or debate.
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  11. A prime example of this is Hull City Council which is run by a leftist Lib Dem majority with a hard left Labour strong opposition.

    They have laid off workers right, left and centre but refuse to cancel the £200 a week floral contract for the Guildhall because it befits a Major City (sic) like Hull.
    They also got rid of the Guildhall parking attendant until they realised that the great unwashed were sneaking in and using their parking facilities.
  12. Too true. What grips my shite, is the union leader with his eyes firmly placed (hypocritically) on the Upper house once he's done his (god given) job of upholding the workers rights. Also, that a few of the fights that the union take-on are for organistions/trades where they are probably already taking the piss and are aggrieved at having their gravy train taken away.

    Unions should be applauded for defending the rights of workers where the employer is clearly trying one on, but to bring about huge distruption because the Fire Brigade/Tube drivers/BA Crew/et al* are afraid they are losing their well ingrained perks is a different matter.

    For those of you who think the unions are permanently dooers of evil and the Devil incarnate should be luckly you've never been in the position where you've needed their help. Mostly they're ***** but they do (some) good where it's needed.

    * - Pick/add/ignore whatever particular body fucks you off the most.
  13. Ah, Hull Council, the instigators of one of the greatest spunkings away of public money in local government history when they squandered the windfall from their telephone company.
  14. Unions tend to work hard in Health & Safety and worker education but can be far too intransigent when it comes to industrial relations. You quite rightly cite the BA debacle as a triumph of greed over expediency.
  15. Yep, every last single penny spent with hardly anything to show for it and even talk of selling off the sports stadium. Plus they think Lard Prescott of Pies is a God round here because he cons them into thinking that a/ he's a common working man and b/ he gives a shit for the common working man. He loves his free meals at Mr Chu's though.