What does freedom and democracy mean to you?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Shelly, Feb 26, 2005.

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  1. Over the last couple of days I've been reading up on a few of the speeches by messrs George Bush and Tony Blair the so-called leaders of the 'Free World'. Throughout the speeches the words 'Freedom' and 'Democracy' litter the pages, however their actions in recent months/years, show that they have no appreciation of the words IMO.
    Given that we are the people who are called upon by these guys/governments, to actually defend these ideals or just simply words, what does freedom and democracy mean to you? Do you feel we live freely in the UK/USA, do you feel that what these guys say is worth dieing for?
    I also today watched Stanley Kubrick's 'Full Metal Jacket' and agreed totally with the words of one of it's characters: 'The only word that's worth dying for is poontang'.
     
  2. you dont happen to be a journo do you? (or worse a pinko U75 subscriber? :twisted: )

    I doubt you will get many answers to this sort of question.

    A_S
     
  3. Not wanting to unserp agent smiths views but...

    It is true that democratic freedom is an engine of national and individual wealth and prosperity. Hardly known, however, is that freedom also saves millions of lives from famine, disease, war, collective violence, and democide (genocide and mass murder). That is, the more freedom, the greater the human security and the less the violence. Conversely, the more power governments have, the more human insecurity and violence. In short: to our realization that power impoverishes we must also add that power kills.

    Through theoretical analysis, historical case studies, empirical data, and quantitative analyses, it can be shown that.

    Freedom is a basic human right recognized by the United Nations and international treaties, and is the heart of social justice.

    Freedom is an engine of economic and human development, and scientific and technological advancement.

    Freedom ameliorates the problem of mass poverty.

    Free people do not suffer from and never have had famines, and by theory, should not. Freedom is therefore a solution to hunger and famine.

    Free people have the least internal violence, turmoil, and political instability.

    Free people have virtually no government genocide and mass murder, and for good theoretical reasons. Freedom is therefore a solution to genocide and mass murder; the only practical means of making sure that "Never again!"

    Free people do not make war on each other, and the greater the freedom within two nations, the less violence between them.

    Freedom is a method of nonviolence--the most peaceful nations are those whose people are free.
    The purpose of this web site, then, is to make as widely available as possible the theories, work, results, and data that empirically and historically, quantitatively and qualitatively, support these conclusions about freedom. This is to invite their use, replication, and critical evaluation, and thereby to advance our knowledge of and confidence in freedom--in liberal democracy. It is to foster freedom. And get rid of the munts, chavs and fatties.
     
  4. There will always be problems with the definition of freedom. How does one balance my freedom to watch the Springer opera with the freedom of Christian Voice to bully anyone associated with it? My freedom to the statue of a pig in my town centre and the freedom of Muslims to have it removed as offensive.
    Democracy - look at what is happening on the sand table where USA is trying to introduce democracy. Didn't Putin say the other day that he did not wish to have what we call democracy.
    There has to be a lot of work before I even satisfy myself that I know what these concepts mean
     
  5. I've often thought that democracy is little more than a regulated mob rule.
     
  6. As churchill said democracy is the worse system until compared with all the rest.
    democracy may be organised mob rule but organised mob rule beats any rule by any elite tried so far.
    though a democratic goverment with out rule of law and a free press is pretty meaningless.
    Military goverments for example are some of the worst but usually only get tried tin failed states in the first place (':evil:')