What does 2 (NC) BDE actually do?

#2
Apart from jobs for the boys? Don't you know that the ultimate aim of this ever declining Army is to form more and more HQs?
 
#3
Even though it contains a regular unit.... I don't see us being snapped up to support them on ops, or by any Rsigs unit to be honest...

Sorry to bring this up again, but after completing class 1 cse, I still can't see the point it?
 
#4
Ostensibly to provide UK communications in the event of a crisis. Key problem is that most crises are too fast moving to allow us time to mobilise reservists to come in, and in the past we've had to use either PSI's or people who happen to be on annual camp. The HRR may make a difference if the trials work, but the reality is that under current procedures, 2 NC is a bit too cumbersome for its own good.
Word on the street is that in its current structure its days are limited - the post nuclear attack role has gone, and apart from a small number of highly niche roles, the organisation is very much a brigade in search of a mission.
 
#5
From the website (that should clear things up for you:
 

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bibo_boy said:
Even though it contains a regular unit.... I don't see us being snapped up to support them on ops, or by any Rsigs unit to be honest...

Sorry to bring this up again, but after completing class 1 cse, I still can't see the point it?
Have a look at the IT trg / quals 33 and 35 are set to deliver.

msr
 
#9
bibo,

I wouldn't bother, 2 (NC) Sig Bde is caught between a rock and a hard place. msr is hinting where we should go but that only looks after a small percentage.

Signals is a very complicated beast to look after, on the TA side you've got senior soldiers trained in the cold war and don't grasp modern ICS, you have other regular/PSI & TA seniors that want to be infantrymen, I'm not a cold war signaller and tend to favour modern practices (but like infantry side also).
 
#10
ECDL, A+, Network+, Security+, CCNA, MCAS
 

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#11
polar said:
Signals is a very complicated beast to look after, on the TA side you've got senior soldiers trained in the cold war and don't grasp modern ICS
Polar, I take it that the Alphabet soup that msr posted is the modern ICS of which you speak. Not having a clue what any of it means, why is it so hard for some seniors soldiers to grasp? Is it going to be real trial to retrain the TA Signals? It's obvious that this is a cause close to your heart, so it would be interesting to hear how you see things going.

polar said:
you have other regular/PSI & TA seniors that want to be infantrymen
I think one of the reasons I transfered was that I was on the cusp of promotion to Cpl and deep down I knew that it would then be too late to do the thing that really interested me, because frankly Comms didn't. I always wondered if many of the Signals guys I knew, Reg and TA, wouldn't actually have been happier in the Infantry. Certainly some of the seniors you would occasionally run in to on exercises, did come across as frustrated grunts.

Bibo, mate you're the proverbial battered housewife who keeps going back to her abusive husband. Leave the c*nt! :D

Seriously though mucker, wasn't there an NC Bde deployment to Cyprus? I know it's only Op Tosser, but if you can't get a bite at Herrick/Telic it's better than naff all.
 
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RP578 said:
Not having a clue what any of it means, why is it so hard for some seniors soldiers to grasp?
Have you not just answered you own question?

msr
 
#13
msr said:
A+, Network+, Security+, CCNA, MCAS
That modernise's the tech trade (about time too) but I would be tempted (in the North) to share this training burden out between 32, 33, 34, 35, 37 and 38.

(If you can get on 37 Sigs ArmyNet sharepoint site, take a look at their CO's brief - they are intending to offer NVQ's during the 2nd week of camp for junior and middle managers)

ECDL should be a must have, for most class 3 soldiers from the majority of corps.

Maybe its time to look outside the box, e.g. one skill I would like ED's to have is to be able to perform infrastructure tasks such a laying Cat 5 or fibre, for operators it would be to do simple IT support such as replacing printer cartridges or topping up printers, maybe basic IT fault finding. Techs exactly how you preached.

Communication also needs to be vastly improved, something as simple as a newsletter would be great (or god forbid, use the internet). I just can't believe the RSigs have a huge resource at their disposal but fail to utilise it, Robobitch has a lot to answer for (if I could find that Arrse thread again :)), just glad she's now causing havoc in Germany
 
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polar said:
Maybe its time to look outside the box, e.g. one skill I would like ED's to have is to be able to perform infrastructure tasks such a laying Cat 5 or fibre, for operators it would be to do simple IT support such as replacing printer cartridges or topping up printers, maybe basic IT fault finding. Techs exactly how you preached.
Cat 5 they are going to do, likewise optic fibre and as for IT support, go on to www.dlp.mod.uk, get an account, sign up for Books 24x7 and get your dick skinners on MCDST.

msr
 
#15
RP578 said:
Polar, I take it that the Alphabet soup that msr posted is the modern ICS of which you speak. Not having a clue what any of it means, why is it so hard for some seniors soldiers to grasp? Is it going to be real trial to retrain the TA Signals? It's obvious that this is a cause close to your heart, so it would be interesting to hear how you see things going.
Firstly I don't mean all seniors, some are right at the cutting edge, oddly it seems to be mainly die hard cold war warriors at fore front of modernisation.

Its not just (RSigs) Sigs, modern comms is more like the civilian workplace. Computers are at the forefront, message handling isn't (which is odd as I've become a COMCEN queen).

Its not going to be a trial to retrain RSigs, if it becomes smaller and leaner. Those that want infantry do the obvious, those that want an easy life - find the door and the remainder???
 
#16
polar said:
Its not going to be a trial to retrain RSigs, if it becomes smaller and leaner. Those that want infantry do the obvious, those that want an easy life - find the door and the remainder???
Get their hands on some very tasty and useful qualifications, which they get paid to study for and which are as directly transferable to their civilian jobs as they are useful operationally.

msr
 

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#17
msr said:
RP578 said:
Not having a clue what any of it means, why is it so hard for some seniors soldiers to grasp?
Have you not just answered you own question?

msr
Well no, I'm in the Infantry and not in the R.Signals and so am not exposed to this training, hence my cluelessness.

The seniors that polar refers to presumably are exposed to this training and yet, according to him, find it hard to grasp.
 

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#18
polar said:
Its not going to be a trial to retrain RSigs, if it becomes smaller and leaner. Those that want infantry do the obvious, those that want an easy life - find the door and the remainder???
Do you think that's the future for the entire Corps or just the TA? It would be an ironic turn of the wheel, as a few TA Infantry Coys were rebadged as Scaleys in the wake of SDR.
 
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RP578 said:
polar said:
Its not going to be a trial to retrain RSigs, if it becomes smaller and leaner. Those that want infantry do the obvious, those that want an easy life - find the door and the remainder???
Do you think that's the future for the entire Corps or just the TA? It would be an ironic turn of the wheel, as a few TA Infantry Coys were rebadged as Scaleys in the wake of SDR.
Christ all this sounds awful, perhaps after this Op its time to jump ship. I can use/do the ICS but that leaves you with no real chance of getting on the ground. At least with CNR skills you can get out if you ask.
 

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