what courses are promotion qualifiying?

The_Duke

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#2
As per Msr's usual response - ask your PSI!

Courses carry promotion criteria, but vary by course and trade. The course book for the Sch Inf tells you what promotion qualification each course carries, and I am certain it is the same for the other specialist schools.

If the course is outside of your usual trade, do not assume that it will be automatically promotion qualifying.
 
#3
many thanks i have a lot of Q's to ask the PSI now just getting the time around the training to do some admin and ask him when he is there?
 

The_Duke

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#4
Alternatively, give us a clue to which arm/service you are in, and which course you are considering and someone on here may be able to help you?
 
#5
And how long you have been in.
 
#6
To be honest I would expect his Pl/Tp Comd to be the first port of call for these sort of questions, this should be getting raised at interviews when doing the career planning talk. Before this point I would be expecting Det/Section Commanders to be putting them back in their box, telling them what the courses are but also telling them that the boss will talk to them about it at MPAR/CR Time......now of course this may all be on the assumption that there are subbies around to do these jobs!!
 
#7
The_Duke said:
Alternatively, give us a clue to which arm/service you are in, and which course you are considering and someone on here may be able to help you?
An almost correct answer.

If you know what arm/ service you're in and what rank you're aiming for, it's likely that google will prevail- and if not then Armynet certainly has the info for several arms.

However, ask your platoon commander- he is responsible for 'career guidance' and should have this stuff at his finger tips!
 
#8
im inf at the mo was either going to do a trade course within my unit or continue with my CMT training as i have dome cmt3 i havent had a career plan as yet and find in TA those interviews very rare do to lack of LT of just never gets flagged up its guess your course you would like go find it then as a psi to book it
 

The_Duke

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#9
muttsnutts,

The only real absolute for Inf is for Pte to LCpl, which can only be achieved on the basis of passing a PJNCO course - either the main one at ITC Catterick or a Bn run one which has been externally validated by Sch Inf.

Once you have achieved LCpl, then you have more options open to you. The primary promotional courses are run by Sch Inf - SCTC and PSTC for Cpl and Sgt respectively. You can also gain promotion on the basis of specialist courses for Mors, MMG etc, but you should be working within that platoon rather than seeing them as an "easier" route than Brecon.

CMT is more difficult. I cannot say for certain without checking whether it is promotion qualifying, but can say for certain that it would not be looked on as favourably on a promotion board in my unit compared to an Inf course. Med is a vital but secondary role within the Inf, and your LSN allocation within the unit will dictate what rank positions are available to be filled.
 
#10
zenith69uk said:
this should be getting raised at interviews when doing the career planning talk.
What?? Career planning??? In the TA?

zenith69uk said:
now of course this may all be on the assumption that there are subbies around to do these jobs!!
Subbies? Rings a bell... hang on, i'll remember in a moment.

In my limited experience of the TA (getting to 10 years now) ANY course will make you eligible for a promotion.

TB
 
#11
TopBadger said:
zenith69uk said:
this should be getting raised at interviews when doing the career planning talk.
What?? Career planning??? In the TA?

zenith69uk said:
now of course this may all be on the assumption that there are subbies around to do these jobs!!
Subbies? Rings a bell... hang on, i'll remember in a moment.

In my limited experience of the TA (getting to 10 years now) ANY course will make you eligible for a promotion.

TB
Even my underwater basket weaving course?

On a serious note is there TA wide set down routes of promotion? Having spoken to mates in other units there seems to be no conformity in promotion.
 

The_Duke

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#12
Countrylad said:
TopBadger said:
zenith69uk said:
this should be getting raised at interviews when doing the career planning talk.
What?? Career planning??? In the TA?

zenith69uk said:
now of course this may all be on the assumption that there are subbies around to do these jobs!!
Subbies? Rings a bell... hang on, i'll remember in a moment.

In my limited experience of the TA (getting to 10 years now) ANY course will make you eligible for a promotion.

TB
Even my underwater basket weaving course?

On a serious note is there TA wide set down routes of promotion? Having spoken to mates in other units there seems to be no conformity in promotion.
Yes, and contrary to TBs theory, there are strict criteria for promotion, at least within the Infantry. Any old course will most certainly not do!
 
#13
Infantry have set career paths if you are a rifleman you need to do PJNCO's to get promotion to Lance Jack. If you are badged corps but attached to an infantry unit you just need to do the relevant trade courses.
 
#14
TopBadger said:
zenith69uk said:
this should be getting raised at interviews when doing the career planning talk.
What?? Career planning??? In the TA?


In my limited experience of the TA (getting to 10 years now) ANY course will make you eligible for a promotion.

TB
I'm surprised that any course will make eligibility for promotion.
The promotion eligible courses are specified- my old TA unit had a poster on the wall describing them. They are findable on Armynet.

It includes Brecon, Mortar controller, service with SF, etc. And I don't honestly believe that in this day and age you can get a promotion without doing the relevant course- it's a tick box world we live in.

Now- assuming you're a private- you still haven't said what rank you're seeking promotion to- then PJNCO cadre is pretty much your only option in the first instance. If you go down the medical route, then perhaps you should consider rebadging RAMC and doing their trade courses as part of the Regimental med det.

Regards careers development- I'm a firm believer this doesn't happen becuase we don't demand it. Start asking, and it will happen. Don't ask, don't get.

Also- were you not issued with a shiny careers development pack when you joined. I've got one at home somewhere. It's got all the info you should need in this respect. I'd get that out and force your platoon cdr to go through it with you. If you haven't got a platoon commander, then get the closest you've got and make him earn his money- Whether they like it or not, it's what the army pay them to do.
 
#15
You know the sunny hills of catterick are calling you it will be like an early christmas present :twisted:
 

The_Duke

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#17
Your first option must be a PJNCO course when assessed as being ready to attend. Usually Grade 1 soldier, ideally having passed your DITs course, fit and a confident map reader.

Get that under your belt first, and then everything else will follow.
 
#18
MUTTSNUTTS said:
continue with my CMT training as i have dome cmt3 i havent had a career plan as yet and find in TA those interviews very rare do to lack of LT
You need to make a choice either CMT (maybe as RAMC) or continue as infantry. Even within infantry rules are different depending on specialisation, I gained my first after a PJNCO cadre, my 2nd as a Regt Signaller, 3rd as a Mortar Section commander - I didn't do senior or junior brecon.

The main advice I give to my Siggies is to do the DITS/BITS/MOI course and gain their class 2.

p.s. RSigs soldiers only - you need to talk to your SPSI, Sqn YofS and Tp SSgt. They should have a clear idea what makes your mil CV look good to oficers. It might be helping organise JRC functions ..............
 
#20
Noticed many have mentioned DITS but is that right? Are we just wasting soldiers time?

Should a potential LCpl have to show they know more than the other Pte/Sigs (e.g. prove to be competent a certain level), he then has something he can teach. Instructing is normally done by Cpls and above so why does a Pte need to be able to teach???

What skills does a LCpl need? in some arms/corps its being able to stand in for a Cpl, in others its just Private First Class - a pay scale not a rank
 

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