What could he expect

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  1. Hi

    I have a mate who is still serving (well at the moment) who could be in a bit of a pickle. Over the weekend he was involved in an RTA. He lost control of the van coming down a hill, flipped it on its side and hit another car oncoming only for a car behind him to smack in behind as well. He came away with not a scratch as did the others involved.

    As I said the van is write off. Now here is the problem. The Van belongs to his unit and he was using it for his own use without asking, He said he authorised it himself and had been doing so for a few weeks now. He has had to come clean to the weekend as he has no excuse for being where he was other then he lives there and its over a 80 miles from his unit.

    What could he expect?

  2. A bill for a van and a criminal conviction for theft.

    Did he pay for the fuel or use the POL point?

    Proffing and lalgs and freebies are all well and good until it goes pearshaped, then you have to have the balls to put it right.

    Unless he takes the MTO a life time supply of Stella......... worked for a certain Army Air corps Lance jack in 1992 when he bent a Landrover on his home street, no work ticket etc :D
  3. No he is not that well connected :D He is a JNCO in the MT world so he thought he could blag it, said he has a work ticket but just no excuse for using it where and when he did. what would be the action taken be. i.e. investigation, Charge or just bummed to death
  4. He won't be for much longer and I'm sure he will be well chuffed if his boss reads this after you have said it wasn't a one off.
  5. I did something similar to MDN in 1993, was supposed tohave gone from Otterburn to Catterick and put Rove into a Lampost 40miles from its end location at the future Mrs S_S house. I was a MT JNCO at the time but had a good MTO, cost me a mountain of guiness and a lot of duty drivers for the next few months.

    Depends on how far your mans unit want to take it. If he is a good lad, no previous form etc.. could be as little as AGAI 67 (more likely major than minor). If he fiddled the POL and there is a full investigation he could have a considerable pile of poo to deal with!!
  6. He said boss knows after he told him
  7. Bust and fined I'd imagine, maybe even damages.

    The rich tapestry of serving. Take it like a man, crack on and have a good story to tell in the future.

    What's the worse they can do? Make you join the Army and go to War? ;)
  8. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    Well, if "they" were being really imaginitive;

    Charges of -

    Theft (for the fuel and lubes)
    Misconduct in a Public Office
    Driving Without Due care and Attention.

    Time for a short holiday in Sunny Essex, and then back on the streets.

    But it will probably depend on how imaginitive they want to be.
  9. Spanish_Dave

    Spanish_Dave LE Good Egg (charities)

    Reminds me of when I had to ring duty recovery for when a drops broke down outside my house in Munster one weekend :lol:
  10. Law Link

    As well of theft of fuel, unauthorised journey (That could be seen as duplicitous), Driving whilst unisured.

    As someone else said here, it depends on his 'old man', but even he might find it difficult to 'write off' a van, especially in the current climate.

    The MOD could deny liability for the damage to the other vehicles (But owing to a potential publicity stink, probably wouldn't), if they did he, the driver could be liable for the cost of damage to the other vehicles too.
  11. If the vehicle in question is White Fleet then surely it belongs to VT Land, not the MOD. In which case the chances of an 'on side' MTO being able to square things away are minimal. Unfortunately, the days of being able to square things away with a phone call to a friendly MT/REME bloke offering a quantity of yellow handbags are long gone. It's all official now.

  12. Mr_Fingerz

    Mr_Fingerz LE Book Reviewer

    BTW, I don't want to worry your "mate" unduly, but Misconduct in a Public Office carries a "Life" term.
  13. Oh and I forgot to add that if the CPS deal with this and there is a conviction, you may have to say bye to your licence. If the individuals trade is driving, standby for additional AGAI or administrative action.
  14. Notty, doesn't matter what his trade is, any civil conviction should have the service test applied and admin action as necessary. Having deat with 2 cases taking of hire vehicles and theft of Lubricants, it is the theft of the fuel that seems to make the blood boil hotter!! If he is a persistent offender, worst case scenario is AF B130A and goodbye!! don't want to panick the lad though :D
  15. Very off topic, but wouldn't

    cover most MPs indiscretions?