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What am I seeing here?

I've been looking around to see if anyone has made other cold war location maps and found this very nice one showing soviet air defence sites/locations. It also shows all the various AD zones in Russia. Well worth a look if that's your bag.
I would have hated to try and get anywhere near Moscow in a plane back then!
You can download it from here - Cold War KML


Didn't a single engine 2 seater cessna land in red square in 1987, flew by a teenager from west Germany.?

Edit:- Found it on Google. A chap called mathias rust.
 
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Didn't a single engine 2 seater cessna land in red square in 1987, flew by a teenager from west Germany.?

Edit:- Found it on Google. A chap called mathias rust.
That he did. It also caused a mass panic amongst soviet defence staff as he'd managed to come in pretty much undetected and unopposed. This also had the knock on effect of the Russians really beefing up and reviewing their AD structure IIRC.
As you can imagine, NATO was not happy about this as many the gaps they had been planning on exploiting should the cold war grow hot, had been closed.
 
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Plus the number of West Germans who were Stasi Agents.

We had a pub in Lippstadt , the barman was a bit of a knob and either pissing us about or a stasi agent.

Every time we went in talking about the next days Active Edge , he would slowly walk into the back room a make a telephone call to someone.

We made sure we had many call outs .
 
We had a pub in Lippstadt , the barman was a bit of a knob and either pissing us about or a stasi agent.

Every time we went in talking about the next days Active Edge , he would slowly walk into the back room a make a telephone call to someone.

We made sure we had many call outs .

They didn’t need the Stasi.

Infiltrate the local Wives’ Club. Job jobbed!
 
Well, I’ve been quite busy with this map and I have to admit, it’s been quite revealing.
I have put the KMZ and KML files in a shared OneDrive folder and you can access them here - https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArfbWCQrN-tTgr1-5ukvKQNT_MG5CQ?e=v6bXEr
As regards my initial post, the locations I flagged were actually static air defence locations and that started off another hunt! I found quite a few of them and they come in several flavours, which, I’m presuming reflected the missiles in use in each location/AOR.

You will also notice many of these, especially those closer to the inner German border, are arranged in lines, which helped the discovery of new sites.
You can see some examples of these below. If anyone does know which missiles/weapons were in use on each type or would like to hazard a guess, then please feel free to let me know. I’ve also labelled up a lot of air bases and was surprised to find several highway strips (having to go back and label these), which I didn’t know Germany had.

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You will also notice a lot of blank spaces which I am scouring with little joy. Primarily I think this is because many locations that had been here have been flattened and re-used, especially those near towns or accessible locations. Those on top of hills or in the countryside are generally left to rot.
Still, I’m getting there and it’s been fascinating to see just how weaponised the West Germany countryside had become.

If anyone can help with the locations of UK barracks in garrisons like Minden, Munster, Osnabruck, Dortmund and other locations I have not yet filled in then I would be very grateful.
 
Didn't a single engine 2 seater cessna land in red square in 1987, flew by a teenager from west Germany.?

Edit:- Found it on Google. A chap called mathias rust.
I've been doing some more looking up as to what static AD sites were in use in West Germany at the end of the cold war (mainly Hawk, Nike and Patriot) and came across this page written by a Belgium soldier who worked in AD in Germany back then and saw this when he was discussing tactics to avoid Hawk:

The missile would have been forced to slalom, but would have approached close enough anyway. Better yet, the two attackers would have been victims of the same missile, as they flew too close to each other. To my knowledge, the only efficient tactic was successfully used once by Canadians F/A-18. To avoid the detection of cars on the German motorways, the radars were usually set to ignore anything that moved at less than 160km/h. Two Canadian pilots were able to approach our battery ‘incognito’, flying with landing gear and flaps down at low speed. When they reached Arolsen area, they banked towards the battery and simulated the firing of two HARM missiles: not seen, not caught! This maneuver was intelligent, but unrealistic because in time of war an F-18 flying with its nose up at low speed would have been an excellent target for ground troops. The young Mathias Rust used the same trick to land his Cessna 152 on the Red Square, after 800 km of slow flying through Soviet defenses.

This makes total sense as to how he managed it now. You can view the page here - Seen from the West
Also of interest in his site was the mention of East German spying activity via their Deutrans trucks:

Sometimes the MiG-25 patrol launched at Mach 2 along the Iron Curtain cut the corner for a few seconds. Perestroika or not, the Soviet Army remained a formidable opponent and it intended to remind it to us from time to time. Periodically, the NATO CRC (Command and Reporting Center) sent us a ‘Zombie Warning’. A ‘Zombie’ was a civilian aircraft suspected of being equipped with electronic spying equipment. We then avoided activating the radar in order not to reveal our frequencies, even if the rumor went that the Soviets knew the Hawk better than us! A colleague told me that in 1987, the radar site at Oesdorf (Charlie battery) was jammed by a strange noise coming from a point nearby in West Germany. After several hours, the firing officer drove with a jeep to the suspected coordinates. To his surprise, the place was a parking place along the Autobahn Dortmund-Kassel. A large semi-trailer equipped with ‘TIR’ plates had been parked there for several days, which had also aroused the suspicions of the maintenance crews. The electronic jamming ceased on the arrival of the Polizei and security officers. The truck was then escorted back to East Germany

When the corps HQ was on excercise we used to get these parked in the laybys outside Ripon Barracks.
Facinating stuff!

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Fang_Farrier

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O/T, but I love this sort of thing - I'm a saddo who takes pride in being to spot barely recognisable old WWII airfields on Google maps zoomed way out.

Top thread.

Try going up the East coast of Scotland, especially once North of Inverness.
Multiple airfields and satellite fields.
 
I forgot to add. The first post I made where I couldn't identify the locations purpose; it's a nuclear enabled AD site, hense the dual fences on both positions.
I have found more than a few of these and their hawks could be nuclear tipped, which is why the special weapons compound is nearby.
 
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CC_TA

LE
May I suggest some additions to your worthy project.

51° 8'15.42"N 6° 7'35.05"E site of Mercury Barrack, 13 Signal Regiment (Radio). Lots of pics here http://birgelenvets.org/

52°37'9.08"N 10° 5'18.11"E Taunton Barracks, Celle, home to several units, lastly 14 Signal Reg (EW)

52°18'2.48"N 7°59'5.78"E Quebec barracks, Osnabruck

Was that the big bugger where you'd run BFTs underground? ...just up from the swimming pool?
 
Was that the big bugger where you'd run BFTs underground? ...just up from the swimming pool?
It was near the pool but I never ran underground, just round and round that sodding block. On other occasions we ran up and down the centre stairwells...repeatedly.
 

theinventor

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... It's been fascinating to see just how weaponised the West Germany countryside had become...
One of my mates at uni did his History thesis on the question "are West German villages in open country almost always 2km apart because the effective range of AT weapons is approx 1km or vice versa?"
 
One of my mates at uni did his History thesis on the question "are West German villages in open country almost always 2km apart because the effective range of AT weapons is approx 1km or vice versa?"
On thing that definitely sticks out is the forestry. Many hills are covered in thick forest, and unlike, for example, UK plantations, there are little or no wide tracks running through them for forestry vehicles. I can only assume this was to prevent Soviet forces cutting through woods and channeling them into killing zones in the valleys. Most noticeable in the US sectors.
 
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Try going up the East coast of Scotland, especially once North of Inverness.
Multiple airfields and satellite fields.
If you go from Gareloch (Faslane) towards Arochar. there is a turnoff to Glen Douglas - very interesting installation at the top and, until recently, not on any maps.
 

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