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Well done Kent Constabulary

#1
*******. You wonder why you are losing the support of the public?

They must have known he was a troublemaker the moment they saw him.

With his white hair, wax jacket and glasses, 78-year-old Philip Clarkson Webb clearly ticked all the boxes any eagle-eyed policemen would mark as 'danger'.

And as he shuffled along the pavement towards them there was one thing above all they deemed to pose a threat - his walking stick.

The officers surrounded the retired classics teacher and informed him the 3ft wooden cane was an 'offensive weapon' and had to be confiscated.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tick-retired-teacher-78-offensive-weapon.html
msr
 
#3
Kinell I'd better not go outside then,I dress in jeans,wear dessies,got the specs,but my weapon of choice is not the wooden walking stick,but a bog standard NHS aluminum one :D and I'm fecking younger ,only 65 so I must be a real threat :twisted:
 
#5
Gungythree said:
Kinell I'd better not go outside then,I dress in jeans,wear dessies,got the specs,but my weapon of choice is not the wooden walking stick,but a bog standard NHS aluminum one :D and I'm fecking younger ,only 65 so I must be a real threat :twisted:
Its the younger ones you have to watch, these pensioners can be a bit dodgy at best, hoodies dont stand a chance against the grey brigade. :)
 

old_fat_and_hairy

LE
Book Reviewer
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#6
During the climate camp there was a considerable amount of activity and our officers and others from around the country who supported Kent Police had to make swift decisions as part of policing the protestors.

It makes me feel ashamed to have been a plod. I policed demos at Molesworth, Babraham Hall and HLS, as well as miners strike, and not to mention student demos. I never felt the need to confiscate a walking stick from some infirm old chap. Frankly, even had he chosen to use it as an offensive weapon, it would like being swatted by Mr Burns!
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#7
The bill for the climate camp policing including closing off both public and private roads the latter without permission then stop and search tactics being conducted amongst the residents as they emerged to go to work will count as a very high one. That area of Kent has lost what little respect it had for plod. KCC are now seen as the paramilitary wing of Zanu NL.
 
#10
Sorry chaps but I can't work up the energy to chase down this outrage bus. The guy's walking into a camp full of moody tree-huggers. I doubt the dibble expected him to kick off, but had someone taken his stick during a protest they could have given someone a fair shoeing with it. Yes it's excessive but, in my opinion (and I'm fully aware that all opinions are like arrseholes), not to the degrees expressed here. The worst part of the story is the fact they lost it, and that's hardly newsworthy. He wasn't criminalised or badly treated (so whoever was talking about "easy crime stats" should get back in their box - it's not like he was arrested; there's no stats to take down), just asked not to take a potentially dangerous item into an area known for trouble on the (ultimately broken) promise that he'd get it back later.

It's a mild example of nanny state policing, and incompetent policing, compared to the stuff we usually see. Not worth getting riled over.
 
#11
BrunoNoMedals said:
Sorry chaps but I can't work up the energy to chase down this outrage bus. The guy's walking into a camp full of moody tree-huggers. I doubt the dibble expected him to kick off, but had someone taken his stick during a protest they could have given someone a fair shoeing with it. Yes it's excessive but, in my opinion (and I'm fully aware that all opinions are like arrseholes), not to the degrees expressed here. The worst part of the story is the fact they lost it, and that's hardly newsworthy. He wasn't criminalised or badly treated (so whoever was talking about "easy crime stats" should get back in their box - it's not like he was arrested; there's no stats to take down), just asked not to take a potentially dangerous item into an area known for trouble on the (ultimately broken) promise that he'd get it back later.

It's a mild example of nanny state policing, and incompetent policing, compared to the stuff we usually see. Not worth getting riled over.
Off a 78 year old man going about lawful business? Have a word with yourself.

msr
 
#12
"Sorry Sir, I don't recommend walking into a room full of environmentalists who we think could kick off at any time, whilst carrying a 3ft wooden stick. If it goes tango uniform you could find yourself beaten about the head with it, before they come at us with it. We'll keep hold until you get back, cheers."

I can see their reasoning. I never said I agreed with it, I just don't think it's as outrageous as everyone seems to be making out. If they'd declared him a rioter, confiscated it permanently and threatened him with charges solely for carrying it then yes, I'd be in first class on the bus. But they didn't, so I'm not.
 
#13
BrunoNoMedals said:
"Sorry Sir, I don't recommend walking into a room full of environmentalists who we think could kick off at any time, whilst carrying a 3ft wooden stick. If it goes tango uniform you could find yourself beaten about the head with it, before they come at us with it. We'll keep hold until you get back, cheers."

I can see their reasoning. I never said I agreed with it, I just don't think it's as outrageous as everyone seems to be making out. If they'd declared him a rioter, confiscated it permanently and threatened him with charges solely for carrying it then yes, I'd be in first class on the bus. But they didn't, so I'm not.
Are you a copper?
 
#14
Bruno,

let's look at it this way. ~Innocent old man in need of stick to assist in walking, showing no sign of aggression has walking stick in his possession for reasonable and lawful reasons.

Say then Police Officer, with no lawful justification, (show me how this met the definition of offensive weapon) takes said stick (theft) and the organisation subsequently disposes of it so it can not be returned (theft - assuming rights of the owner)

Old man, family, friends and associated now turned to anti police. Result?
 

Fugly

ADC
DirtyBAT
#15
Did they offer the old bloke any form of aid to walking after they confiscated his ninja death stick?

What would make better reading would be the plods in question getting their P45 handed to them after the old bloke took a tumble having been relieved of his walking aid.

Bruno. Get a grip. No wonder people have no time for plod with this going on. If he was entering the area on lawful business (as it seems he was, he had a valid peaceful reason for being there), then they should have done everything in their power to escort him in safely.

Not rob him and lose/steal (delete as appropriate, depending on cynicism) his property.
 
#16
It always amazes me that when the 'Scum' or the 'Daily Hate' report on something to do with HMF that people on here are rightfully sceptical, but if it involves plod the report is taken as gospel.

That's unfortunate as plod, like soldiers have no right to reply especially if the incident is sub judice.

I don't know the full story regarding this incident so will reserve judgement, but I can relate to it.

I recently attended an incident which also involved a 'nice' little old lady and I am sure that had it been reported in the press, both I and my colleague would have been equally scorned.

This 83 year old woman, who also possessed a walking stick had shouted abuse and threats of violence to other passengers to the extent that the driver felt the need to stop, disembark his passengers and lock the doors.

Having arrived, expecting a charming grandmother type, who perhaps was misunderstood or required sectioning under the mental health act found something very different. This delightful 'Lady' had called two young and perfectly respectable mothers slappers. She also berated two other women who were sitting in the 'elderly' seats at the front of the bus. These ladies should of apparently given up their seats for her, as she was older. The two ladies concerned were 68 and 72 respectively. This was despite the fact that she had two seats to herself.

Having sat down facing the woman, who was now sat on her own in an attempt to placate her, her first response to the question 'How are you' was 'I am fine, but you ******* won't be when I have finished with you'. At that instant I managed to grab and stop her walking stick, now about two inches from my head. Despite reasoning with this woman for 5 minutes and trying to de-escalate the situation, she left us with no other option but to arrest her. I can just see the headlines now.

In the end the woman was taken home, de-arrested and offered advice. I suspect she took absolutely no notice.

So forgive me if I don't jump on the outrage bus cause not all old people are like my or perhaps your grandad/grandmas.
 
#17
I never said it makes the police look good, and if I get western's point correctly that the loss of confidence in KCC brought about by this is reason enough to get annoyed then, yeah, that's fair.

Maybe I'm just numbed to the ridiculous goings-on in this country now, but I'm still saving my outrage for something bigger. If you want to put some more mileage on the bus then treat yourself, it's your call. I'm not straight-up disagreeing with you all, just questioning the intensity of the reaction..
 
#18
Notty, on face value and I agree with the comments about limited information, but you were dealing with an in progress public order offence which included a an assault on yourself either by attempt or threat and she therefore justified the definition of offensive weapon. Well done for not smacking her one, if you had I would have supported you but we both know you wouldn't have.
 
#20
msr said:
nottyash said:
Plod whinge snipped
Where there are old people breaching asbos that gets reported too:

The Asbo granny who made our lives a misery

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-450270/The-Asbo-granny-lives-misery.html

msr
I am obviously not clever enough to understand that, but if it's what I think it is MSR, I am afraid Sir you have missed my point. I am not whingeing and if I come across that way, that was not my intention.

It's my job, it's what I do. Just trying to add another perspective.

Had I written 'Police arrest and drag 83 year old woman, who had a hip and knee replacement off bus' without elaborating the circumstances I too would fit into the imposed catergory of 'knobber' and someone would be suggesting that I collect my cards.
 

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