Well done ITV News at 1030

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Rhino_Stopper, Oct 17, 2006.

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  1. Good feature last night about the appalling state of med services.

    The main reporter gave some little toad from the govt. a hard time and apparently they are running features on the 'Home Front' all this week.
  2. I saw this, and was surprised that they made such a big thing about it. It was a good 15-20 minutes of the news taken up, but if they are doing things on the 'home front' for the week that is probably the reason for the longer broadcast.
  3. By contrast, I saw the 18:30 which led on the topic, and had Simon Weston WG doing much of the lead.

    However, much of the detail was at odds with the stuff in the 'Muslim/Para' thread, and I couldn't help feeling that Simon had done it in good faith but was being shown up by poor researchers/script-writers.

    He is a confident talker though, and I can't help wondering whether he'd stand for Parliament or Welsh Assembly. To have someone aboard with so much experience of Defence/NHS issues and various charity work would be no bad thing.

    ITN also made it seem that they had investigated and discovered this issue, whereas it has been very high profile stuff for over a week. If their article had been fresh and sloppy it might be acceptable.

    They're not the only ones, BBC breakfast had repeated reports on Madonna and her baby - "What's happening there ?" "Well, the baby has arrived, it's wrapped in a blanket and is being carried by a nanny". Well whoop-di-do, there's news isn't it??. Half expected a helicopter to follow baby/nanny/bodyguard all the way 'home'.

    On the whole, I wish I'd watched the ITN 22:30 news, as apperently that was good. And so back on thread

    "Thanks Whiffler"

    "Thanks arrse"

    "That was Whiffler, and this is arrse" (STFU - Ed)
  4. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator

    I fear that Simon Weston's piece was somewhat inaccurate. The Royal Hospital Haslar (or 'The Royal Haslar' as he had it) is no longer a military hospital; it was handed over to the NHS some years ago, and it is they who have left it empty.

    ITN could have reported on the 'lowest bidder' approach to the setting-up of RCDM, or the truly scandalous shortages of medical and nursing personnel in the military, or on why the majority of patients aren't flown into Birmingham Airport in dead of night, but Brize Norton, and then have to endure a long ambulance journey to RCDM, or on why the facilities for visiting relatives are so poor. Still, at least they are keeping the issue of how our wounded are treated in the public eye.
  5. Daily Telegraph

    Not entirely compatible with te MoD spin on things. Who do we believe?
  6. Well said Whiffler and Virobono - Good hard hitting piece from ITN, which illustrated one thing (soldier behind screen, giving firsthand annecdotal details of how bad it was to be a soldier on a mixed ward, treated by people who have no comprehension of your situation).

    Unfortuantely, when David Twigg MP was grilled, he went with the "soldiers receiving first rate, world class surgical care" line. Unfortunately, despite the Paxo-esque interview technique, he got away with it, by not being forced to address the core security issue that has led to the current media interest.

    With PM questions today, it will be interesting to see how the PM responds to the house today.

    It was never meant to be like this, was it Tony?!
  7. Brought a lump to my wizened throat reading that soldiers account of how he felt.
    Let me know when the tracks start moving toward Parliament.
  8. I think most people on this site agree the only answer is (re)opening the military hospitals. But that would probably have to come out of the military budget - so what do we do, sell off the Chinook fleet to pay for it???

    I finished off a nursing degree last year, so whilst no expert - I am aware of how the newly qualified civvie nurse will have been taught to view an injured squaddie.

    For starters - he's a patient. Rightly or wrongly, he is going to be treated the same as a "granny / druggie", with his treatment based on clinical need - not what he / she has done for their country.

    As for the PTSD side of things, most of the nurses on general wards aren't trained for it, but should be aware of it. It's a bit of a throw away line that non-mental health (or military) trained nurses can't empathise with an injured squaddie. You didn't have to be in a car crash to empathise with a RTC victim.

    Kinda rambling now, but a few other specific points:

    1) There could be many reasons for him not getting his pain relief quickly enough - this is a common complaint from many patients, civvie patients suffer the same (usually from under staffing).

    2) Security - again every patient (and nurse) are under threat from 'attack' in hospital. As bad as that verbal attack was on the injured Para, I bet you on that same day a number of civvie patients as well as staff members were physically assualted. If there is an increased danger to injured squaddies - that's for the police to sort out - not security paid for by the NHS.

    I'm all for injured troops getting the best treatment they deserve, but I don't think sticking them in the NHS and throwing a bit of extra cash at the problem will work / look good to (some) civvies - e.g. queue jumping.

    I'm also not convinced that every injured squaddie want's to be in the military environment in hospital - I'm sure some would prefer to be closer to home and enjoy the 'break' from that life.

    Bring back the military hospitals! (funded from magic fairy dust sales)

    PS - I'm on your side - just trying to get a possible 'other side' view across!
  9. PMQ are Wednesday noon - at least since Bliar came in. Cameron slaughtered him last week. We can only hope.
  10. ViroBono

    ViroBono LE Moderator


    An interesting view. Clinical need should undoubtedly be the main criterion in determining where military patients should be treated. There is no doubt that the most seriously injured are best looked after in specialist NHS units. However, an awful lot don't need that level of care and could reasonably be cared for in a military ward or military wing (if we can't afford a whole hospital).

    I have to disagree with your observations on PTSD (or rather traumatic stress related injury in general). My own experience is that in practice most NHS staff are not very aware of what traumatic stress is really about. I have seen patients suffering traumatic stress referred to by civ nurses as 'difficult' and 'moody' because they get angry or depressed. Most probably can sympathise with an RTC victim because many will have seen, been involved in or seen other patients from an RTC; the soldier's experience is from another world, and one the NHS largely doesn't understand.

    On a more mundane level, I have also been unimpressed with the attitude of many NHS staff to other problems faced by injured soldiers - such as often having their families a long way from the hospital, or concerns about how their future may be affected by their injury.

    The point about injured soldiers wanting a break from the military environment is particularly interesting - Army Occ Health suggested, at a recent briefing I attended, that the longer they are away from it the harder it is for them to return to work. So, I'd suggest that there is another good reason for military wards or wings. But of course that's nothing new - the proliferation of military convalescent establishments after WW1 and WW2 shows that this has been known for a long time.
  11. Having read the said article this morning I reliased that they were quoting the same complete nutter that was interviewed last night on ITN news. Whoever let that rambling lunatic speak as if he was representing the voice of soldiers in general belongs in a hospital as a patient himself. (Ones with I love me jackets as standard issue). :x
    Yes I agree that we need our Military Hospitals with our Military Staff back again, so to give our people the best treatment that they rightly deserve without burdening an already haemorrhaging NHS. Don't worry the MOD will reinvent the wheel again if enough people schimf lets face it Gordon Brown needs all the friends he can muster.

    There badger's rant over back to my sett!
  12. I agree entirely with the soldier. However, I watched the reconstruction on the news last night. The reconstruction was corny and laughable and did not serve its purpose too well.

    Once again, newsreader quoting us as 'squaddies'. We are British Forces FFS.

    BTW, what happened to the mil hospital in Woolwich?
  13. ViroBono,

    I was 'adult' branch, so like many of the civvie nurses on general wards we have very little mental health training. However, if the nurses haven't picked up on how to talk to patients and realise that they need specialist help then I would be gobsmacked. The problem (as you will know) is lack of mental health teams in your average NHS hospital to folow up.

    I would also point out there that there are quite a few ex-military (as well as serving TA) bods running about the NHS as docs / nurses / HCA's. The problem being that you just don't have the time to sit and talk to people - you are there to get them better physically. In the ideal situation, you do the whole physical / mental package, but once out of training and on a ward the reality is different. Whilst PTSD isn't taught, it's certainly discussed, and again every half decent nurse knows it exists.

    Like any job, you get crap nurses and good ones. I know my training focused heavily on empathy, so I'm saddened when I read about injured squaddies not feeling ther worries aren't being treated seriously enough.

    I think what I was trying to get across was that today's civvie nursing training focuses heavily on the patient being an individual - hence the military way of dressing the same, being on the same ward (possibly away from family) looks very strange to the NHS. Possibly the worry that wards might be split down ethnic / religious lines - "if the squaddies get their own wards - why cant we?" type thing.

    I have never treated any casualties from the sandy places, so I can't comment on if they would prefer to be treated nearer home or in a military wing somewhere. But my civvie training would say ask them!

    If the military wings were better funded than the average NHS ward, then yes, the staff will have more time to talk through the issues / problems with the injured. But to the NHS, that extra funding could look unethical.

    Me, I say they deserve the extra funding.
  14. There was a bit on the news last night about a possible military wing being opened at Selly Oak. Cant remember if it was BBC or ITV though? :oops: Did anyone else see this? Are they just trying to quell the outcry at the moment, more empty promises perhaps. It didn't give any indication when this might take place?
  15. Handed over to the NHS - but retained the name. I seem to recall reading that it was currently running a large deficit and was scheduled for closure.