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Well Done Bob Crowe RMT

#1
Tube Strike looms to protest against proposed cuts, conditions & Jobs...don't these socialist cnuts ever learn....he's not a bright lad is he...I think during these difficult times the right to strike should be abolished.
 
#2
I don't think the right to strike should be abolished, because sometimes it is a necessary evil. However I do think Bob Crowe and his cronies are taking the piss. I don't get it personally, why is that BA staff and now underground staff can't consider themselves lucky to have a job during these hard times.
 
#4
woolyback_bastard said:
I don't think the right to strike should be abolished, because sometimes it is a necessary evil. However I do think Bob Crowe and his cronies are taking the piss. I don't get it personally, why is that BA staff and now underground staff can't consider themselves lucky to have a job during these hard times.
Agreed. People must have a right to strike in a democracy. The alternative is forced working, otherwise known as slavery.

Striking should not be abolished but Bob Crowe should. He's a dinosaur worthy of a place in Jurassic Park. I bet they push a live cow into his office every day for his lunch.

Unite and RMT are approaching industrial relations from opposite ends of the picket line.

The BA strikes are being driven by Unite leadership with an increasingly unwilling membership being taken along for the ride. Unite represent many public sector workers. They'll have far, far bigger fish to fry than British Airways when Osborne's cuts start to bite. Demonstrating that they're willing to bankrupt BA and sacrifice thousands of their own members' jobs to get what they want is, I think, part of a strategy to intimidate the new government.

RMT strikes are driven by the membership who view themselves as either indispensable or as the reincarnation of Che Guavera, rather than by the leadership who seem to be driven by a desire to appear on telly ranting about Cuba.

Time Boris introduced driverless trains on the tube, as on the Docklands Light Railway. We'll see who's indispensable when the tube drivers go the same way as the miners and Bob's appearing in drafty community halls, doing a double act with Arthur Scargill.
 
#5
woolyback_bastard said:
I don't think the right to strike should be abolished, because sometimes it is a necessary evil. However I do think Bob Crowe and his cronies are taking the piss. I don't get it personally, why is that BA staff and now underground staff can't consider themselves lucky to have a job during these hard times.
MY bold: thats the understatement of the year,

I read from one media source for example unison is shouting 'ready for war'

Now where's that 'summer of unrest thread................ :roll:
 
#6
BoB crowe and the RMT exec are all buddies,always been the same. and will sell their own family if it makes them look good, they are not bothered about any union member, they care about image and their own pay.

I was on national exec, for road haulage side of things for a year.long before Bob became leader he was a sycophant then so i shall remain convinced he still is.
 
#7
I faced the prospect this week of not being able to get to work by anything other than feet or bike thanks to his ridiculous posturing. As for his wikipedia entry, check this out:

He was a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain and then the Communist Party of Britain after the CPGB's dissolution, between 1983 and 1995, when he left to join Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party (SLP). He has since left the SLP, though he remains an admirer of Scargill,[3] and is no longer a member of any political party, although he gave his support to the now disbanded Socialist Alliance, and believes all socialist parties should unite.[3] In the 2005 general election, he endorsed Robert Griffiths, the Communist Party of Britain's candidate in Pontypridd, calling him "a champion of workers' rights".[7] Griffiths went on to win 233 votes (0.6%), coming in last place out of the six candidates. In the 2010 Local Election he publicly supported the directly elected Mayoral candidate in the London Borough of Hackney Monty Goldman and the candidate for Leabridge Ward Mick Carty.[8]

A dangerously reactionary twit.
 
#8
A pity that the fcukwit didn't get to do some time in a gulag during his time in the CommieMarxySociapathic Party to cleanse all of that crap ideology from that space between his ears....... Instead we're left to clean up after him....

Do BA still do flights to Siberia?
 
#9
WoollyBack, the technology is already there - on a couple of tube lines (Victoria and 1 other), the drivers are merely there to open and close doors, as the trains are almost fully automated. Unions vehemently opposed to any further automation on "safety" grounds.....oh really!

It's only a matter of time before this technology is rolled out across LUL, I found one article a while ago that suggested that LUL could save up to £141 Million and significantly reduce disruption due to industrial action down to a minimum.
 
#10
sebcoe said:
Tube Strike looms to protest against proposed cuts, conditions & Jobs...don't these socialist cnuts ever learn....he's not a bright lad is he...I think during these difficult times the right to strike should be abolished.

Bob Crowe = I'm alright Jack personified
 
#11
I don't have a problem with the idea of Trade Unions, especialy when you look at the history behind some of them and the appalling conditions workers used to face.

But is 2010. Workers have so many rights enshrined in law and consolidated by Europe.

If you, as a worker, want better pay, opportunities etc., make them yourselves. Apply for a better post, better yourself. Don't strike, because there are millions like me unemployed who have not an ounce of sympathy for you.
 
#12
Spanner said:
WoollyBack, the technology is already there - on a couple of tube lines (Victoria and 1 other), the drivers are merely there to open and close doors, as the trains are almost fully automated. Unions vehemently opposed to any further automation on "safety" grounds.....oh really!

It's only a matter of time before this technology is rolled out across LUL, I found one article a while ago that suggested that LUL could save up to £141 Million and significantly reduce disruption due to industrial action down to a minimum.
They actually want to remove all drivers from all trains.

In the event of a signal failure, derailment or god forbid, another bombing, who is going to carry out the evacuation procedures or liais with their control?

If the train is sat underground for any length of time with no movement in sight, then the passengers will egress and then you have yet another hazard.

It's not always striking for the sake of it.
 
#13
Recce19 said:
Spanner said:
WoollyBack, the technology is already there - on a couple of tube lines (Victoria and 1 other), the drivers are merely there to open and close doors, as the trains are almost fully automated. Unions vehemently opposed to any further automation on "safety" grounds.....oh really!

It's only a matter of time before this technology is rolled out across LUL, I found one article a while ago that suggested that LUL could save up to £141 Million and significantly reduce disruption due to industrial action down to a minimum.
They actually want to remove all drivers from all trains.

In the event of a signal failure, derailment or god forbid, another bombing, who is going to carry out the evacuation procedures or liais with their control?

If the train is sat underground for any length of time with no movement in sight, then the passengers will egress and then you have yet another hazard.

It's not always striking for the sake of it.
It must be something that has already been sorted out on many rail and metro systems including some of the Paris Metro, Copenhagen Metro and many other systems around the world.

Why should we be held back in the dark ages by the unions in this country....
 
#14
bobthedog said:
Recce19 said:
Spanner said:
WoollyBack, the technology is already there - on a couple of tube lines (Victoria and 1 other), the drivers are merely there to open and close doors, as the trains are almost fully automated. Unions vehemently opposed to any further automation on "safety" grounds.....oh really!

It's only a matter of time before this technology is rolled out across LUL, I found one article a while ago that suggested that LUL could save up to £141 Million and significantly reduce disruption due to industrial action down to a minimum.
They actually want to remove all drivers from all trains.

In the event of a signal failure, derailment or god forbid, another bombing, who is going to carry out the evacuation procedures or liais with their control?

If the train is sat underground for any length of time with no movement in sight, then the passengers will egress and then you have yet another hazard.

It's not always striking for the sake of it.
It must be something that has already been sorted out on many rail and metro systems including some of the Paris Metro, Copenhagen Metro and many other systems around the world.

Why should we be held back in the dark ages by the unions in this country....
I honestly know nothing about those rail systems. Are they above or belw ground? Also, where is their power supply routed, from above or from a 3rd rail system?

It may mean that the whole of the tube network, would need to be resignalled, extra safety systems and interlocks etc. fitted.

I would be curious which would be the cheaper option; drivers or the rebuild? Not saying it can't be done, but I am saying that it would be a surprise if the infrastructure as it is now, woulc be able to safely cope with this.
 

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#15
bobthedog said:
It must be something that has already been sorted out on many rail and metro systems including some of the Paris Metro, Copenhagen Metro and many other systems around the world.

Why should we be held back in the dark ages by the unions in this country....
I used to commute every day by rail. Not a vast distance, about 50 miles a day round trip, but I would have serious reservations about travelling on any train that didn't have a fully-trained human being at the pointy end.

That's not an endorsement of the union, it's a statement of basic common sense.

I don't particularly care what other countries have done to be honest. Not having a driver at the front is safety concern and a justifiable one to my eyes.
 
#16
Recce, Most of them are over and underground, with 3rd rail systems. 3rd rail can be made a lot safer as per the DLR, where the live rail is mostly insulated and special shoes are used for pickup. Most underground systems use 3rd rail.


"It may mean that the whole of the tube network, would need to be resignalled, extra safety systems and interlocks etc. fitted."

I worked on the underground Telecom PFI about 15 years ago, at that stage the interlocks and signalling systems were being upgraded to allow higher speed, and greater density of trains. Although it wasn't my speciality it was something that was in the requirements of the Connect PFI.
 
#18
Sixty said:
bobthedog said:
It must be something that has already been sorted out on many rail and metro systems including some of the Paris Metro, Copenhagen Metro and many other systems around the world.

Why should we be held back in the dark ages by the unions in this country....
I used to commute every day by rail. Not a vast distance, about 50 miles a day round trip, but I would have serious reservations about travelling on any train that didn't have a fully-trained human being at the pointy end.

That's not an endorsement of the union, it's a statement of basic common sense.

I don't particularly care what other countries have done to be honest. Not having a driver at the front is safety concern and a justifiable one to my eyes.
I drove trains in the UK (not tube) and I agree with your sentiments completely Sixty! There's just too many variables and the bigget one, is the fcuking passengers!!
 
#19
There's also the Docklands Light Railway which is driverless: they've got staff on the train but their main role seems to be to wake me up when I get to my station, or wake me up for a ticket inspection, the b'stards.
 

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