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#1
Sorry its been such a short time coming!

Im a firefighter and got the same treatment last year while you lot lapped up the glory, as an ex-serviceman I get no pleasure from this but hopefully it will open eyes.

You are only good guys (and girls) when it sells papers.

For Me the pitty is that the same paper that supported us has turned on you, and as an exserviceman on Me to.
 
#2
Trumpton went on strike for the same reason that the Daily Mirror published this unverified tale: greed.

The other thing both Trumpton and the Mirror have in common is that both have deliberately put service personel at risk. :evil:
 
#4
well that just about wraps this thread up. :roll: pah firemen :roll:
 
#5
ViroBono said:
Trumpton went on strike for the same reason that the Daily Mirror published this unverified tale: greed.

The other thing both Trumpton and the Mirror have in common is that both have deliberately put service personel at risk. :evil:
Try living out here mate, all very cosy with you food and accom paid.

You will grow up, evolve and join the rest of us (civvies that is)

Hey just think the crushing of the Fire Brigede Unions overtime ban may have of just cost you the only decent living you could of scraped.

When I left the army it was The Prison Service (now privtatised and on shit money) the Police Force (who have had their conditions eroded) or the fire service but the loss of the over time ban will see to that.

By the way how did we put service personnel at risk you didn't have the training or the balls to go into a building, and the insurance industry has just anounced the figures for the year we were out and you did such a great job that the figures are up 60% for the year and we were only out for 15 days thats some going.
 
#6
firesi said:
ViroBono said:
Trumpton went on strike for the same reason that the Daily Mirror published this unverified tale: greed.

The other thing both Trumpton and the Mirror have in common is that both have deliberately put service personel at risk. :evil:
Try living out here mate, all very cosy with you food and accom paid.

You will grow up, evolve and join the rest of us (civvies that is)

Hey just think the crushing of the Fire Brigede Unions overtime ban may have of just cost you the only decent living you could of scraped.

When I left the army it was The Prison Service (now privtatised and on s*** money) the Police Force (who have had their conditions eroded) or the fire service but the loss of the over time ban will see to that.

By the way how did we put service personnel at risk you didn't have the training or the balls to go into a building, and the insurance industry has just anounced the figures for the year we were out and you did such a great job that the figures are up 60% for the year and we were only out for 15 days thats some going.
We all join the forces as civvies and ultimately, we return to it. You can have balls the size of melons, but the reason you didn't get the pay rise you were after was that the public were not prepared to pay the cost of it - simple. You could always get another job that earns much more money than being a fireman - most of us have. Perhaps you should start a thread in the resettlement (Civ Div) part of this forum, rather than drag this any further off topic?
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#7
Mover said:
but the reason you didn't get the pay rise you were after was that the public were not prepared to pay the cost of it - simple.
In my opinion, you're efforts for better pay and conditions were destroyed in detail the moment A Gilchrist got hold of them. He led the fireservice to a position where the public where turning against them, the forces were being seen to fill the gap and the government was seen to be strong. The strike and the issues surrounding it were debated heavily here and after all the huffing and puffing it was seen that the pay issue was one of many other issues, most of which were good valid concerns put forward by clever, decent people. Gilchrist avoided all the important issues and destroyed the ability of the FBU to have any effect on future change.

this horse is quite high, how do I get down?
 
#8
What a predictable response from Trumpton.

How interesting that he considers that firemen are braver than servicemen; the figures would suggest that considerably more soldiers are killed in action than firemen are killed in fires.

Most firemen have second jobs (on which they pay no tax, usually) due to their generous shift patterns, and this idiot suggests that servicemen have it cushy!

If you aren't happy with the terms and conditions, Firesi, put your notice in.

Many of the members of this board are civilians, and have just as good a grip on the world as you.
 
#9
Heartily agree with the above responses.
The Fire strike was more about Gilchrist and his cronies trying to put one up New Labour and like greedy bleating sheep the smokie joes followed them. Thing was this time, oh dear, the publc found out what a bunch of luddite, restrictive practicing, sexist, lazy, greedy fcuks ye's were. Good thing is you'll not get away with it again. Reform is on the way and you'll know what working for a living is !!

Quote from a picket at the time when asked how he thought the Army was doing 'Well, ye know, it takes 6 years to train a fire fighter, I mean you would'nt expect me to be any good at driving a tank would you ?'

Not if it took ye six years too learn ya muppet !!

Compare yerself to the Forces ?? Feck Off




Ubique ya bass !!
 
#10
AND...it's far more dangerous working for a living on a building site or a farm than being a Fireman/person/fighter whatever. Mind you I suppose volleyball sprains and bumps might be a tad traumatic.







Ubique ya bass !!
 
#12
Agreed, agreed and agreed again.

The fire fighters were worse than journos. At least printing newspapers is their job and unfortunately they haven't stopped doing it!

There was no justification for your strike. And no way you ever deserved more cash.

You lost, now shut the feck up!
 
#13
Try living out here mate, all very cosy with you food and accom paid.

You will grow up, evolve and join the rest of us (civvies that is)

Hey just think the crushing of the Fire Brigede Unions overtime ban may have of just cost you the only decent living you could of scraped.

When I left the army it was The Prison Service (now privtatised and on s*** money) the Police Force (who have had their conditions eroded) or the fire service but the loss of the over time ban will see to that.

By the way how did we put service personnel at risk you didn't have the training or the balls to go into a building, and the insurance industry has just anounced the figures for the year we were out and you did such a great job that the figures are up 60% for the year and we were only out for 15 days thats some going.
Sorry, but I wasn't that niave to belive that jumping from one uniform to another was going to give me a better standard of living. After 12 years in a hard job with crap promotion civ-div is a doddle. All you have to do is apply yourself and improve your lot. The mountain will never come to Mohammed. Many of us here now earn far more than the army would pay (or even dream of paying us) simply because we chose wisely in our civillian professions.
 
#14
firesi said:
you didn't have the training or the balls to go into a buildin.
except in combat and security situations when there could be IEDs, gunmen and that sort of thing. All firemen have to put up with is that dancing warm red and yellow stuff that squaddies jump over and run through when theyre leathered!!
:roll: ex-squaddies turned Firemen :roll:
 
#15
Well if becoming a fireman is the pinacle of your lifes achievements please excuse me if I don’t follow your lead.

Not every ex squaddie wants to swap one uniform and regulated system for another. The vast majority go on to successful and fullfilling carreers doing other things. Don’t get me wrong firemen do an important job and no doubt are good at it. But to claim some higher moral ground because you’re a fireman just re-enforces the idea of self important simpletons at trumpton.

You went on strike because you were greedy. You then tried to justify that strike with a load of bollox when a lot of the country questioned your motives. They ultimatly didn’t believe you and you lost. If you think anything else you’re delusional.

It appears you are too stupid to realise how stupid you are. Coming here and gobbing off with warped ideas of how the world turns just provides entertainment for those of us who have more of an imagination.
 
#16
It appears you are too stupid to realise how stupid you are
Too fecking right.

They managed what few organisations do, - shafted themselves and then moan about it!! They are about to be shafted again due to the wonderful 'modernisation' agenda they brought on themselves. Now they might actually be expected to do a days work for a days pay instead of sitting around drinking tea!!

Wait for the moans then! Greedy wa nkers. :twisted:

Real world? about time you fecking well became a part of it yourself.
 
#17
Firsi said
By the way how did we put service personnel at risk you didn't have the training or the balls to go into a building, and the insurance industry has just anounced the figures for the year we were out and you did such a great job that the figures are up 60% for the year and we were only out for 15 days thats some going.
So who the f*ck was it we sent into that electro-plating plant that was on fire last year? the BA fairies?
While it was true that the Godess teams didn't do re-entries, the BART teams did.
Before you start talking about "having the balls" to enter burning compartments, you might care to look up some of the history of the Falklands war, paying special attention to what happened aboard HMS Sheffield, Coventry and Glamorgan after they took hits. On a more recent note, you might study the events aboard HMS Broadsword, which suffered a main machinery space fire in 1993, and on a slightly different, though related theme, the bravery awards handed out to members of HMS Nottingham's ships company; it was literally their courage that kept her afloat. Any rise in insurance premiums reflects the fact that you withdrew cover, not that we supplied it. (BTW, as well as supplying satisfactory fire cover to 95% of the incidents attended, we also fought and won a war, just for a laugh).
 
#18
While I'm not really minded to wade in on the side of the firefighters - as you just mentioned, they caused us to divert manpower when there was a war on - cue call-ups for the TA, to vacate their barracks for regs on Fresco - is there no-one that thinks they could be paid a bit more?

What they get isn't a whole lot to live on in London, as far as I know. I think they get quite a bit less than coppers?

As for whether they all really work as plumbers in their spare time I don't know. Would lessen your sympathy a bit.

The whole country did laugh though that after all their bleating about how vital they were a smaller number of servicemen were able to do a perfectly good job in something that isn't their main line of work...
 

Unknown_Quantity

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#19
I do think they should be paid more, but after the disaster that was their attempt to get it I think they should sit quietly and think about what they did wrong first. There is an excellent description of the reasons for the strike by Carlos_Hathcock_II somewhere on the site, I found it here:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/html/modules...start=30&sid=ee89ba1c0a8baf4ac27d19bdbd5e4fba

Once apon a time there was a fat idle * who was a scardy cat and didnt like going into fires, which was his job, so he became a union leader. His name boys and girls was Andy Gilcunt. After a few years he became bored and wanted a new job so he asked the labour party if he could become a politician. He then organised a strike, sold the union membership down the river by signing an aggrement which was blank, and then when the gov. wanted to impiment the aggrement the union members revolted. Gilcunt said "accect or I'll quit" The union said "Er, Taxi for 1 please!"
Dont be supprised if the man who brought one of the last unions down and caused the desimation of the fire service becomes a MP. Posibly YOUR MP.
And dont be supprised when your house is on fire and you ring the Fire Brigade to be told (just like the LAS has to tell people) Sorry no one is availlable at the moment, please call back later.

What is happening in the LAS is a disgrace! But it will happen because the public will let it. The Govt are trying to diddle those figures even more by calling fire crews out to medical emergancies, making the LFB first responder, meaning the LAS can turn up 20 mins, 30 mins, or even 40 mins late. Not good for the poor sod dieing! But wonderful for thier attendance figures. Why not train the firefighters up so they can treat the casualty? They want to, but the cost of continual training that is needed and the LAS opperators do would be so expensive, why not give the money to the LAS and get a better service? The money would come from them anyway. Last year the LAS sent a team out to the US with a view to seeing how the US integrate the two services. Recamendation? Dont do it. The govts reply? Thanks. But it now looks like they want to.

As for this media onslaught. Well all the pictures on TV with crews outside on picket lines is utter rubbish. They are liberiy pictures from last year designed to upset and anger the public, and it seams that they are working!

The basis of the disput is this.
Gilcunt signed a blank cheque and now when he returned with the full agreement the union leadership took one look and refused to recamend it to the membership. Cos its s***! ( To get a 7% pay rise you have to have a pay cut of £ 1000.) The govt found out and put out media stories that there may not be the money.
The union turn the 'deal' down.
The govt then say the money isnt there.
Why?
Simple. When the govt wanted to get rid of an Aircraft carrier they told the media that they wanted to get rid to 4. There was an outcry! And after much posturing and pondering they relented and ...... got rid of one! If they had anounced one they would not have managed it. But one from 4 is a good deal.
Here they want to frighten the fire crews into thinking that 7% is better than 3.5%. (And in a way it is, but the problem is the things they want to remove, change, and abuse. NOTHING is worth that!
 
#20
No argument with them deserving a little more dosh, its just that his last comment p*ssed me off :evil:
 

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