Welbeck to Close

#2
Crikey that's a blow, I recall a lot of the undergraduates studying at the Defence Academy at Shrivenham back when it was RMCS came from Welbeck
 
#3
The government are doing unimaginable stuff now.
 

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Mark Lancaster said:
But Defence needs to increase numbers well beyond the current scheme’s ability to deliver
So increasing capability by closing the existing infrastructure and aiming to attract solely from undergrads? Sounds rather cock-eyed (and expensive) to me.
 
#5
Shame, DSFC is on my old training unit site - I suspect it just isn't cost effective any more. Better off spending the money on more Cadetships and Bursaries.
 

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Lets hope we don't end up in a serious shooting war.

The govt will simply claim that there is no correlation between force capability and winning wars.

They've done so to the Police force
 
#7
Not a financial decision, no siree. I would put my right testicle on whatever the value for money replacement providing fewer Sandhurst entrants that Welbeck.
 
#8
Not a financial decision, no siree. I would put my right testicle on whatever the value for money replacement providing fewer Sandhurst entrants that Welbeck.
I would agree. And specialist other ranks.

A great shame, and I was never a welbexian!
 

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Idiots
 

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I didn’t realise that they weren’t getting the numbers. That’s got to be down to a lack of investment surely?
Or no dad pushing their kids to join the Army, would you?
 
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A lack of serious investment in STEM at a young age will only be a bad thing for the Forces and the CS I feel.

I remember NEM briefings where the joy of technical specialist officers waxed greatly, now it seems that we are doomed to ever more generalists who lack depth in technical understanding.

But never mind, I’m sure we can buy in contracted expertise and not get ripped off in procurement. It’s worked well before!
 
#15
From what I understand, the root of the problem has been the failure rate of the individuals going through the scheme to reach either the required academic or military standard. I suppose the argument is that as university entrance is not the hurdle it was a couple of decades ago there is not the need to provide an additional path..

My concern is that although the military say they want to attract high grade STEM graduates, they seem to make little or no effort to enable them to continue in these areas after graduating. What is the point in busting for a STEM degree if you then see your uni mates clocking up the research papers and moving on to PhDs, whilst you are dicking around playing OJAR games...?

It strikes me that there does not seem to be a clear promotion path for STEM types into future careers in defence science and technology. Most of the interesting jobs that used to be in the system for STEM types have been hived off to DSTL and 'Kinuseless!

And another thing.. strangely enough, STEM graduates seem to have a penchant for marrying other STEM graduates.. so lots of STEM jobs available around Catterick and Bulford is there? Not like around Aldershot and Guilford, where you see the military moving out as fast as it can...?

So I suppose my 10p's worth for this argument is that if you want STEM types, you need to make the job more attractive to STEM types, and demonstrate that busting a gut to gain a STEM qualification is actually going to make a difference if you join the Army!
 
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Rumour I heard tonight is the RAF and Navy are desperate to keep it, the Army are not fussed and convinced they can farm all they want from Universities.
 
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Rumour I heard tonight is the RAF and Navy are desperate to keep it, the Army are not fussed and convinced they can farm all they want from Universities.
Yep..

That's about right!
 
#19
This would appear to be a policy from the shadow education minister!!!

As we know the country has an excess of engineering and science graduates!!! The forces even more so !!!

My university course started with 65 of which around 5 were UK nationals, 3 graduated, granted that was eons ago I would hope this has improved but I suspect not.

As Charted Engineer, would I recommend reading engineering or science....no. Quite apart from the punishing undergraduate schedule, there is the fact that this country places no value whatsoever on these skill sets.

I can only assume the Army thinks they can buy these skills through Cadetships. Good luck with that, my business offer a significantly better package than HMG and we still struggle.

Finally a little piece of me wonders if this is some delusional idiot believing making things more accessible !!!

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Another take on this... it's devaluing A-Levels.

When Welbeck was actually at Welbeck, you didn't have to go to University. You did have to go to RMAS, but with the A-Levels you'd scored at Welbeck, that was sufficient. Even for R SIGNALS and RE. REME too, I believe. You'd obviously have shit it for CEng, but if you only wanted a good 6th Form and 5-8 years on an SSC, A Levels were fine. Obviously most/many Welbexians went to Uni, but not all, by any stretch.

It seems A-Levels are now just a tick for entry to Uni, and you need a degree to be a bog cleaner. Which tends to devalue the degree, let alone A-Levels.
 
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