weeny gun fit for Amarillo turkey

Discussion in 'Aviation' started by codbutt, Jan 22, 2008.

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  1. So, after ALL this time, they decide to fit a gun to the V-22. But of course, it's hopelessly inflexible, so they can only fit a tiny gun. Good thing no-one would really have wanted to fast-rope from this horror, anyway.....

    What next in the V-22 saga?

    CV22 Osprey to get minigun retrofit

    By Stephen Trimble, FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL

    BAE Systems is to start adapting a remotely operated minigun to install on the US Air Force BellBoeing CV-22 Osprey.

    The 7.62mm-calibre weapon is officially labelled an "interim all-quadrant defensive weapon", but would be the first weapon system to be embedded within the internal structure of a V-22 airframe.

    The US Marine Corps operates a ramp-mounted .50-calibre gun on 10 MV-22 Ospreys deployed in Iraq, but this configuration limits the weapon to firing only on rearward targets.

    The BAE Systems gun system selected for the CV-22 will be embedded within the "hell hole" normally used by troops for fast-roping to the ground.

    A sensor that includes a camera and infrared imager will be embedded in a second hole forward of the weapon station, with the crew chief operating the trigger inside the cabin.
  2. I've a vision of the crew chief hammering away with this thing and chopping through the fast-rope with it, sending all the bods hanging on it on the fastest (and ultimately last) "fast-rope" of their lives.

    A typical example of how to make a really bad idea even worse.

  3. About time. Weapons were in the specs. at one point but got dropped maybe because they were having enough trouble getting the damn things to work.

    Long been known that there is no effective escort aircraft for the wonder.

    Fixed wing aircraft, Harriers included, cannot really provide the cover required during landing and takeoff when these thing really are vulnerable .

    Helicopters can of course. But the Ospreys would have had to slow down to let them to keep up, assuming they had the range.

    So many think these things are limited to low key specialised roles or unopposed landings/extraction. D'oh!
  4. Still a very impressive piece of kit.

    Perhaps they just need to develop a spectre CV22...
  5. 4(T),

    Err, I don't think an AC-130 configuration would be much good. You'd have to place enormous 'safe arcs' into the software to prevent you shooting your own props and/or engines off!! For the same reason, the V-22 can't carry door guns in the side.

    I think the V-22's main utility would be as a multimission combat support aircraft in a tanker or AEW&C role. However, this would require it to be pressurised which would be a significant engineering and cost outlay.

    Given the enormous expense of the V-22, I don't see too many advantages over a large conventional rotary asset such as the CH-47 or CH-53.

  6. I have yet to see anything to recommend CV22 over CH47.
  7. Trip_Wire

    Well it's hardly going to fire forwards fitted to the ramp :roll:
  9. Might do, if the rest of the crew have pi$$ed them off!
  10. Memory says that over on Pprune the ex Chief test pilot for Sikorsky explained that the Osprey was 'Competitive' when compared with medium sized helis but lost out when compared with the more recent CH 53 models.
    The Yank Marine Corps seem to have taken a decision very early on and committed to the Osprey without all performance details being known.
  11. Not quite John. CONGRESS took the decision and then told the Marines "Well, that's all you're getting, so you'd better start liking it."
  12. I certainly am not an expert on the matter but I have always been lead to understand that the Senate/Congress has had for many year a Large membership of former Marines who basically where responsible for the US Marines becoming an Independent Arm of the US Military.
    Also I understand that with the range of 'Modern' coastal defences it has become necessary for the 'Invasion' Fleet to sit well offshore, over the horizon, to keep out of harms way. Hence the requirement for a Fast Long Range, troop assault 'ship'.