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Wedding Security

#1
Now that those who decide such issues have released details regarding the forthcoming Royal Wedding, I have some questions.

As a result of this information, and given the ongoing terrorist threats, is the security plan now going to be an utter ball-ache?

Why is this information now in the public domain? (I realise that I am possibly adding to that problem by posting here)

Perhaps, (I am thinking aloud here) It is a bluff, and the happy couple will crack on with their 'do in another place.

Sky News
 
#3
There are only a few routes that could have been used so really it doesn't take the brains of an Archbishop what one would actually be used
 
#4
Because the whole, Beware of the evil terrorists, schtick is just the latest in the ongoing "give the public an enemy to hate".

In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us - Thich Nhat Hanh
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#6
I wonder if the 'usual suspects' will be wanting to do a spot of protesting/rioting on the day.

If they do I wonder how the Met will handle it. If they ask in advance for a spot to make their protest will they be given it? If I was a legit punter going down for the day to wave a flag at the new fairy tale Princess I'd be more than a bit miffed to find a rag tag of the disaffected had been given a place whilst I had to spend the night in a doss bag to reserve my slot.

On the other hand if they don't ask and simply turn up I can't imaging they will be particularly sympathetically received by the flag waving masses and that breaches of the peace may ensue.

Would plod need to guard them?
 
#7
You surprise me AeM I thought you would have a better grasp of risk management.
Those days left me when I left TVP in '95 mate.

And to add to that, the general terrorist threat was nowhere near as high. ( I never had time for terrorists, I was too busy with the local scroats)

I am not overly concerned, and I will not be in attendance, however it just seems to be out of sorts with the current security state.

Thinking aloud. (Again) By doing nothing I suppose the terrorist wins.
 
#8
Not being confrontational, but, there were only two choices of venue, they have opted for the closest and realistically only 6 routes. It is the most policed and secured area of London, so there should be no real dramas.

Hang on though, it is the Met we are talking about. :)
 

skid2

LE
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#9
That bloody wedding. I thought it was the Afghans looking for FOOs and the like to ensure that their 'wedding celebrations' went off without airstrikes.
 
#10
It will be interesting how much more details are released leading up to this event, i'll echo buggerAll's view on how the Met will deal


With a combination of Military presence, Civpol and PSC the comms aspect will be interesting,

When was the last time the Met dealt with something of this size, (G20 excluded) etc?
 
#12
I wonder if the 'usual suspects' will be wanting to do a spot of protesting/rioting on the day.

If they do I wonder how the Met will handle it. If they ask in advance for a spot to make their protest will they be given it? If I was a legit punter going down for the day to wave a flag at the new fairy tale Princess I'd be more than a bit miffed to find a rag tag of the disaffected had been given a place whilst I had to spend the night in a doss bag to reserve my slot.

On the other hand if they don't ask and simply turn up I can't imaging they will be particularly sympathetically received by the flag waving masses and that breaches of the peace may ensue.

Would plod need to guard them?
Could be quite entertaining really. I can't see Joe public taking to kindly to the pork-a-phobics of Luton travelling down to hurl abuse.
Given that there may well be hundreds of thousands of highly patriotic royalists on the streets who might take serious offence I would imagine they wouldn't be tret very nicely.

On a serious note, I won't be particularly impressed if anyone is given permision to protest (or atempts to do so without it)
 

BuggerAll

LE
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#13
Could be quite entertaining really. I can't see Joe public taking to kindly to the pork-a-phobics of Luton travelling down to hurl abuse.
Given that there may well be hundreds of thousands of highly patriotic royalists on the streets who might take serious offence I would imagine they wouldn't be tret very nicely.

On a serious note, I won't be particularly impressed if anyone is given permision to protest (or atempts to do so without it)
I must admit I had in mind the soap dodging student scroungers who attacked the father of the groom during their recent outing to the capital but no doubt the Luton mob might also want to vent their anger against the world.

It's a difficult one. The right to legit protest and freedom of speech against the rights of the majority to enjoy a peaceful day out watching their (presumed) future monarch get married.

BTB Freedom of speech aside I would consider that anyone out protesting on the day who was not born British would be acting in a way that is incompatible with their status as a naturalized subject or visitor to this country and should be (robustly) invited to leave it ASAP.
 
#14
It will be interesting how much more details are released leading up to this event, i'll echo buggerAll's view on how the Met will deal


With a combination of Military presence, Civpol and PSC the comms aspect will be interesting,

When was the last time the Met dealt with something of this size, (G20 excluded) etc?
trooping the colour, NYE, state opening of parliament, state visits (Qatar most recent) Op Telic service at St Pauls, Battle of Britain memorial, Rememberance Sunday, marathon, DSEI
 
#15
I must admit I had in mind the soap dodging student scroungers who attacked the father of the groom during their recent outing to the capital but no doubt the Luton mob might also want to vent their anger against the world.

It's a difficult one. The right to legit protest and freedom of speech against the rights of the majority to enjoy a peaceful day out watching their (presumed) future monarch get married.

BTB Freedom of speech aside I would consider that anyone out protesting on the day who was not born British would be acting in a way that is incompatible with their status as a naturalized subject or visitor to this country and should be (robustly) invited to leave it ASAP.
Ahhh sorry, you meant the soap-a-phobics rather than the pork-a-phobics. My mistake.

Besides, it isn't the right to protest they would be excercising, just an outright intention to cause offence. Protest is a right, setting out to cause offence and create a civil disturbance isn't. Offensive protests at a Royal Wedding aren't going to end happily.
If they want to protest about something then they can pick another day.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#17
I wonder if the security services are paying any sort of attention given two things, 1 - ieds are now the weapon of choice and very sophisticated, 2 - anyone in a hi vis vest can turn up in a white van and dig up the road nowadays (look at the incidences where thieves have dug up copper wiring purely to make a quick quid. now everything is subcontracted the utilities and authorities havent a clue who is doing what out there.

its only a matter of time I reckon. we couldnt stop pira and we knew who most of them were.
 
#18
I wonder if the security services are paying any sort of attention given two things, 1 - ieds are now the weapon of choice and very sophisticated, 2 - anyone in a hi vis vest can turn up in a white van and dig up the road nowadays (look at the incidences where thieves have dug up copper wiring purely to make a quick quid. now everything is subcontracted the utilities and authorities havent a clue who is doing what out there.

its only a matter of time I reckon. we couldnt stop pira and we knew who most of them were.
I doubt they'd get away digging up the road in the smoke - any disruption to the already shite traffic system particularly in mid city would be prettty noticeable.

I was surprised at the Battle of Britain memorial parade, which went past the hippy peace protestors in parliament square, that there was no kick off. The police skipper running it told me that they had been visited by his inspector and pre-warned that any monkey business would be dealt with swiftly.

I expect that with the whole Prince Charles/Camilla and the student issue, that the Met et al will be playing no surrender for the wedding.
 

BuggerAll

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#19
...The police skipper running it told me that they had been visited by his inspector and pre-warned that any monkey business would be dealt with swiftly...
I'd like to think you mean that the soap dodgers were warned off by plod, but given that this is Britain and it's the Met we're talking about I assume you mean that plod threatened our sideways scuttling brethren. I'm surprised they didn't find some elfin safe T reason to stop the parade altogether.
 
#20
Ha very droll, yes I meant the soap dodgers who give them their due, actually stood very respectfully and watched it all go off. Actually in my first exposure to something like this, the planning involved many agencies from across the city and they all bent over backwards to be accomodating. (Whether this is because the coldest December since records began means there is unlikely to be enough veterans to make a 75th anniversary worthwhile I don't know.)
 

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