Wearing Uniform In Public

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#1
I've noticed an ever-increasing trend in the wearing of uniform when out shopping and travelling to and from work, especially amongst the more junior element of the Corps. Having been indoctrinated at a young age, I've always considered this a no-no. When looking at the wider Army, it seems driving around in civvy cars (either your own or issue) is perfectly acceptable. Where do you stand on this issue?
 
#2
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
I've noticed an ever-increasing trend in the wearing of uniform when out shopping and travelling to and from work, especially amongst the more junior element of the Corps. Having been indoctrinated at a young age, I've always considered this a no-no. When looking at the wider Army, it seems driving around in civvy cars (either your own or issue) is perfectly acceptable. Where do you stand on this issue?
The Army has become increasingly distanced from the general public and it shows in their lack of understanding and support (not all of course) this is attributable is no small measure to the Army closing itself away in Barracks and only emerging disguised as civilians. Anything that raises the profile of the Forces can only be a good thing.
 
#3
If my brown envelope arrives:

Only when I'm living on a trolley in a corridor Selly Oak :oops:
 
#4
I'm in the Dutch TA. Overhere we always (the regs too) travel to and from the barracks in uniform. There is no issue what so ever if it would be appropriate or not to wear it from and to home.
Nowadays we even swear in on public marketplaces of garrrison towns, to (from the MoD's point of view) keep in closer touch with the civvy's and maybe even get some more new recruits.
 
#5
When I first joined it was not unusual to wear uniform in public, and to hitch hike home in it as well (We were poorer and had less cars)This started to go out of fashion in the mid 80's even before we were ordered to. Now I feel we should be seen out & about. Be smart with beret on, and hands out of pockets. Show the public we have an armed forces, start turning up at local shows, and bring back the Royal Tournament. Have Open Days again, and above all else tell the world we are not afraid. Walking in local towns in uniform should be as commen a sight as it used to be. Go to a larger Garrison such as Catterick, and you do already.
 
#7
I agree that it would be a good thing to see more service personnel wearing uniform in public outside the wire and away from barracks as well. The British people, in general, are supportive and appreciative of the forces and are usually friendly and helpful towards soldiers.

The main downside at the moment are those elements of the UK population who have 'reservations', for want of a longer description, regarding our involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan. This happened to me whilst on duty and in uniform at a service station on the M1, when I was subjected to a 5 minute rant by a bearded, robe wearing Islamic gentleman who had deicded that I was personally responsible for the situation in Iraq. Eventually he calmed down and walked away, but it took a lot of will power not to stick one on him.
 
#8
i wear uniform in public every day. only problem is i now feel obliged to buy the Big Issue every time i walk past the little homeless fella, just so he doesn't think all soldiers are tight c*nts...
 
#9
I wear green skin down town during the day, locally admittedly, not out shopping of an evening, etc.

Beret on, make sure I dont look too shabby, ensure I hold doors open for people and generally act with a bit of respect for both the people im in contact with and for the uniform I wear.

5 minutes worth of KAPE can easily undo misconceptions of what Soldiers are like.
There are no doubt security issues, there always have been and will be. That's where not setting patterns comes in.
 
#10
Fatbadge said:
Beret on, make sure I dont look too shabby, ensure I hold doors open for people and generally act with a bit of respect for both the people im in contact with and for the uniform I wear.

5 minutes worth of KAPE can easily undo misconceptions of what Soldiers are like.
There are no doubt security issues, there always have been and will be. That's where not setting patterns comes in.
Agreed FB, I had a word with one of my peers a few weeks ago because he decided that undoing his twistees and untucking his shirt (not very well pressed either :roll: ) while standing at a train station and spitting on the tracks was a good idea :x

Doesn't do any of us any favours.
 
#11
Old habits die hard. I still change from uniform to civvies when I am driving and would never wear uniform downtown.

Having said that I still vary my route to work and don't tell anyone I meet what I do until they are more than aquaintances.

I'm not being a cowboy, I just don't feel the need to advertise.

And all those years giving personal security advice makes you a bit set in your ways!
 
#12
Intersting points made by FB and R&P.

Somehow I feel there is a need to balance the need for KAPE, but also there are security issues. I never went down town in uniform. (except as a recruit in 18...whatever).

I suppose it relies on education of the individuals and then let them make there own minds up. How many of you would have gone shopping in Belfast in uniform?
 
#13
The reason why we stopped wearing uniforms was the IRA terror campaign of the 80s!

In BAOR Standing orders it stated that unit commanders had the right to use his powers to allow troops to wear civvies - thuswearing uniform was something that the 4 powers in Germany all had in common.

Russian troops in east germany never went out WITHOUT there uniform on!!!

As stated, it was at the COs disgression and became a must during the 80s.

Now, the IRA are less of a threat and the threat is a different one. This time we should wear uniform!
 
#14
But there is still a threat there. Should we wait until a fundamentalist terrorist organisation makes direct attacks against HM forces on the mainland?
 
#15
Nipped home the other day and couldn't get down the single track because of a large truck parked outside my neighbour's house. Beret on and hoofed it down the track, did the biz, and back to the car, only to be greeted by the neighbour three doors down with "I didn't know you were in the Army! We wondered why you spent such long periods away"!

I've only lived there, so to speak, for 10 years!

Now that the IRA threat is much reduced, perhaps we should become more visible again.

Litotes
 
#16
Even without taking into account the current terrorist threat (and there still is one f*ckwits) there are a huge amount of civis who think squaddies are c*cks so I'd rather not advertise the fact I'm in.

For every door you hold open and charity box etc you give to there will be a bunch of c*nts fighting downtown and undoing everything you've tried to do. This goes double for Garrison towns.

If people don't know what I do, my house is less likely to get done over when I'm away on tour by some chav.
 
#17
I am very pleased with the comments re the wearing of uniform in public. Yes an element of personal security should be taken into consideration, but I feel that the use of a particular location such as a pub near camps by groups of off-duty personnel even when in civi's is a larger risk, a number were targeted by the IRA in the 70's than walking around the town centre in uniform. Many of todays servicemen have not done this since the day they joined, but others like myself remember the days it was the norm.
 
#18
Wearing uniform in public is a security issue. The only real public face of the Army is either on the news or it is the guys working in the AFCOs. Any events which are classed as PMEs are usually checked with the local SB for safety and security reasons. A threat still exists. Why do you think that it is the local commanders discretion as to whether his troops wear uniform in public? If it were in QR that all soldiers have to wear uniform when travelling to and from leave, it would not be long before groups of squaddies would be targetted by extremists. Just look at what happens at bus stops in Israel when IAF are returning to or leaving camp. Not only this, it would also give have-a-go arrseholes more of an incentive to show off, assaulting service personnel in the process. Not wearing uniform in public is a sensible personal security issue. Maybe it should be explained to our young soldiers why the older generation do not wear uniform in public.
 
#20
I didn't know this when I started this thread but..........

I heard a story (officially, via the CoC, so it should be true!) that an Off Duty soldier was assaulted after his Asian taxi driver saw his MOD 90. Said Taxi driver then said something in his native tongue into his radio. The taxi stopped off in a side street, where the soldier was dragged from the car by 6 Asian males who set about him with baseball bats.

Time for his Troop to pay the Taxi firm a wee visit methinks! :wink:
 

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