Wear Your Poppy With Pride

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  1. Cynical

    Cynical LE Book Reviewer

    As George Santayana (a Spanish philosopher, essayist, poet and novelist) wrote “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Remembrance Day is an annual reminder of this unfortunate fact, and the war memorials in almost every village and town in the land make this testimony every day. Sadly, we choose not to learn.

    Until Bush and Blair’s disastrous invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan war and its consequences were fairly remote to most of the public most of the time. The Ulster “troubles” were mostly confined to Northern Ireland. The Falklands was a brief conflict involving few regiments, with casualties concentrated in them (most notably the Welsh Guards after the sinking of the Sir Galahad). The death toll in Bosnia was mercifully low.

    Then came Iraq and Afghanistan were two protracted and brutal campaigns that between them killed 626 servicemen and servicewomen over a decade? Hundreds more suffered “life changing” injuries (the euphemism for amputations) and potentially thousands have post-traumatic stress disorders.

    Worse, it became apparent that the provisions for treating and rehabilitating servicemen in the UK were woefully inadequate, hence the establishment of Help for Heroes. Prince Harry served in Afghanistan and has subsequently and admirably championed both the rehabilitation of disabled servicemen and, increasingly, those with mental health problems. Throw in Gareth Gates and the Military Choir and it is little surprise that the fate of British servicemen is much more in the public consciousness. And rightly so.

    “Wear your poppy with pride” we are exhorted. But pride in whom or what? Yes, it’s great to be associated with the superb men and women of our armed forces, but where is the pride in that? For retired soldiers like me, there is huge pride in remembering that I was a soldier once (and young) -tempered with memories of those I know who were wounded or killed. But I don’t think that is the point.

    Am I proud that this country embarked upon ill-considered campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan? Am I proud that the government misled the public and Parliament with the false allegations about weapons of mass destruction? Am I proud that in both conflicts the armed forces were sent in insufficient numbers and with inadequate equipment? Of course not. Am I proud that since those conflicts the Armed Forces (particularly the Army) have been reduced in numbers to levels in which they are simply incapable of defending the Realm? What do you think. Am I proud that currently about 1,000 servicemen are deployed in Estonia as a (very) thin red line to face down a resurgent Russia? Am I heck – I’m bloody furious.

    It turns out that we had a Secretary of State for Defence who was guilty of conduct that would have had him sacked from the Armed Forces, as well he knew. And yet he had the effrontery to take the job – resigning only when his foibles became public knowledge. Gordon Brown used to read out in Parliament the names of those killed, but he did less than nothing to deliver the equipment, numbers or cash (let alone strategic vision). And while he did it the whole Westminster cess pit went along with it, and acquiesced to the further defence cuts of Cameron and May.

    And who put these philandering, deceitful, self-serving clowns in charge of this country in whose name so much blood has been shed, so many lives shattered? Dear reader it was you and it was me. And I feel anything but proud of that.
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  2. I wear plastic/paper poppies to remember my mates and those who did more than I, even if they often didn't have much choice. That's it. Everything else doesn't interest me.
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  3. Faceache C+P
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  4. I am sorry mate.

    But I do buy the poppy and I do remember, all of them.
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  5. ancienturion

    ancienturion LE Book Reviewer

    I remember, so I don't really need to wear a poppy to advertise the fact but I do drop my spare change in a tin whenever I pass one. There were/are a lot who were not so lucky as I was.
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  6. Chicken, tinkerbell, rah rah, trombone, hippo
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  7. What happened to Korea 1070 KIA is that to far in the past?
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  8. Trite nonsense. For a start there were 700+ deaths and 6000+ injuries in Northern Ireland, and it isn’t ‘remote’, it’s just a ferry ride away, and the consequences were felt keenly and all too real, witness the attacks on the mainland.

    It’s the sort of Facebook BS which pretends to
    be ‘deep’ and has a righteous tone which is posted & re-posted and people get a little self-satisfied buzz out of doing so; but guess what, it’s meaningless.
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  9. Shouldn't you have a flute with chicken and hippo?
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  10. You tromboned a hippo?
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  11. To be fair, who hasn't?
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  12. And Aden and Malaya and Borneo and Cyprus and Kenya &c &c...
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  13. skid2

    skid2 LE Book Reviewer

    If you’d stuck Suez in there you’d have my dads set up
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  14. I haven't. They're fat bastids, but they can get a fair turn of speed going when I'm sneaking up behind them.
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