We werent told by anyone not to go on the ice.

Bouillabaisse

LE
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#2
On the one hand the safety nazis should all sod off and stop being so pathetic. On the other hand this couple are wearing those stupid hats with the ear pieces hanging down so should be strung up immediately.

Oh, and anyone reading the mail should be shot
 
#3
When we were kids we did everything from walking on ice to blowing tree stumps up using ANFO mixes of our own concoction. All of us, bar one who was killed in NI, are still here and largely in one piece. Why? Because we understood the concept of risk and the need to apply a little common sense!
 
#4
well, that would have been evolution in action.

It's not everyone elses job to keep you 100% safe 100% of the time. You safety is YOUR resposibility.
 
#5
This is similar to the boy who died when his beach tunnel collapsed on him. The conclusion then was that there should have been a sign up to warn of the dangers of tunneling under the sand.

In this case I ask was there a sign up warning of the dangers of walking on the ice ? - if there wasn't I would say in the event of tragedy the council is at fault and should be sued.
 
#7
Cuddles said:
http://www.24dash.com/news/Local_Government/2009-01-08-Health-and-safety-gone-mad-gang-take-the-plunge-in-protest-against-killjoy-image

Now then, not all H&S types are pathetic! At least not in the West Country!
Hey, those guys are really crazy man.
 
#8
Put warning signs up ??!!! WTF

Stop interfering with Darwinism.

Look where it has got us so far? Let the terminally stupid sink or swim literally in this case.
 
#10
I walked across a frozen dew pond yesterday didn't today as it was melting unless your a complete mong you can tell the difference between thick ice that can bear your weight and thin ice that won't.

If we wait for permission we'd never do anything
 
#11
Isn't part of being a parent weighing up risks for your kids and teaching them about life. If we avoided any activity that carried risk then life would be pretty dull and given the fact he tested the ice first, the risk of them falling through the ice and being killed or seriously injured were probably less than getting into a car and driving on a motorway.

I don't see what the problem is, let them crack on.
 
#12
Cuddles said:
http://www.24dash.com/news/Local_Government/2009-01-08-Health-and-safety-gone-mad-gang-take-the-plunge-in-protest-against-killjoy-image

Now then, not all H&S types are pathetic! At least not in the West Country!
"Too often health and safety is used as a reason for inaction, rather than doing things sensibly. "

Well said.

msr
 
#13
Life as a whole is a risk, and if we didnt take them we would have died out because we wouldnt have ever ventured from our caves. What annoys me about this is the Judgemental attitude of the paper. The ice was perfectly safe, the water is about a foot deep, and 2 parents were accompanying the child. What would the Mail rather happened? At least the kid is out getting fresh air and enjoying some fun with his/her parents.

Incidentally the Dutch have been out skating across all the canals in Holland this week, and had a thoroughly good time. They have a race which goes through 11 cities (approximately 120Km) and conduct it only when there is sufficient ice to carry the race and the spectators safely. They were building up to it this week.
 
#15
cowswithguns said:
I put ice in my Gin and tonic last night................................................. does that count as dangerous?
You are clearly a binge drinker.

Remedy:

Ban sale of cheap alcohol
Put taxes up
Limit opening hours
No more "happy hours"
More education of the dangers for kids in schools
Make up arbitary and incorrect safe drinking limits
Increase legal age to 21

Nanny state - where ?
 
#16
I'm going to have a few more tonight, put on my ice skates and go to the little river that runs near my house. It's not frozen, so I don't expect to do too many figure 8's.
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#17
bobthedog said:
Life as a whole is a risk, and if we didnt take them we would have died out because we wouldnt have ever ventured from our caves. What annoys me about this is the Judgemental attitude of the paper. The ice was perfectly safe, the water is about a foot deep, and 2 parents were accompanying the child. What would the Mail rather happened? At least the kid is out getting fresh air and enjoying some fun with his/her parents.

Incidentally the Dutch have been out skating across all the canals in Holland this week, and had a thoroughly good time. They have a race which goes through 11 cities (approximately 120Km) and conduct it only when there is sufficient ice to carry the race and the spectators safely. They were building up to it this week.
I'm in Amsterdam at the moment and the Cloggies are out trying to kill themselves as best they can, to quote my German leanings, they are being needless dangerous, however, they are human and allowed to try things.

With regards to the judgemental article in the OP, I suspect it was written by an old hand and then edited to reflect an HSE concern should anyone dare go on the ice and say the newspaper said it was safe. It has a two-hands-on-one-typewriter-feel to it.

Eitherway, I spent many winters in the 70's on the ice in Epping area and dare say I've been to that pond too. There is nothing dangerous about ice, only the water underneath it that wants to kill you. But I am 100% in support of this family for a walk on the ice, especially after the recce (good skills dad). I continue to think we can learn a lot from the krauts (but not driving skills).

Mr H
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#18
on a related point my Wife is on the phone telling me that she's nipped to the shops leaving our 4 year old (+11 months) in the house alone with the telly and his pasta with butter dinner.

Now if a journo got hold of this, I suspect we'd be up for child-neglect but I for one am unconcerned, children need to learn responsibility.
 
#19
bobthedog said:
Incidentally the Dutch have been out skating across all the canals in Holland this week, and had a thoroughly good time. They have a race which goes through 11 cities (approximately 120Km) and conduct it only when there is sufficient ice to carry the race and the spectators safely. They were building up to it this week.
It's approximately 200 km and the ice has to be strong enough to carry at least 15,000 participants. I don't think we'll have one next week. :cry:

You'll have to use common sense (experience is better) when skating on natural ice. So far the ice is good here in some places. Excellent even (15 cm). Just got back from a nice 40K this afternoon :) Can't wait to go back again tomorrow! Is there somewhere I can veto against global warming?
 
#20
'In this case I ask was there a sign up warning of the dangers of walking on the ice ? - if there wasn't I would say in the event of tragedy the council is at fault and should be sued'.......

For what ? Not taking responsibility for two adults who must have known of the risk.Behave. :x
 

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