We Were Torturing People For No Reason -- A Soldiers Tale

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Tony Lagouranis is a 37-year-old bouncer at a bar in Chicago's Humboldt Park. He is also a former torturer. That was how he was described in an email promoting a panel discussion, "24: Torture Televised," hosted by the NYU School of Law's Center on Law and Security in New York on March 21. And he doesn't shy away from the description.

http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/49813

msr
 
#3
And there we have it, the difference between Yank intelligence gathering and British. We use sleep depravation etc, they torture prisoners
 
#5
Wouldn't have anything to do with anupcoming book release would it? Seems funny that he has first hand knowledge of torture but didn't participate....I smell something and it aint the truth.
 
#7
ctauch said:
Wouldn't have anything to do with anupcoming book release would it? Seems funny that he has first hand knowledge of torture but didn't participate....I smell something and it aint the truth.
Actually, he 'fesses up to torture:

"I'm from New York City. I'm college-educated," he said. "But you put me in Iraq and told me to torture, and I did it and I regretted it later."
One wonders what being from New York and being college educated have to do with moral dillemas and ethical decisions...

I don't know whether he's telling the truth or not but, in the event that this is not true, this wouldn't be the first time that someone made false claims along these lines.
 
#9
(and I'm sorry, I personally don't see how the use of the dogs scaring the urine out of someone qualifies as "torture")

Nathan, I don't know if it was torture. I DO know that it was culturally insensitive.

I DO know that I was in Iraq for the release of the Abu Ghraib pictures and the repercussions that abounded.

I DO know that my interpreters (some of the most Pro CF people I met in my time there) were disgusted by the use of dogs with muslim prisoners.

Now if it got the interpreters exercised, can we pause to imagine what it did to a dribbling radical islamist?

Just a thought.

Heed.
 
#10
Nathan

I advert You to, amongst others. water torture in Guantanamo, Rendition to CIA black camps in various countries and not least to the US administration trying desperately to change the definition of torture.
 
#11
msr said:
Tony Lagouranis is a 37-year-old bouncer at a bar in Chicago's Humboldt Park. He is also a former torturer. That was how he was described in an email promoting a panel discussion, "24: Torture Televised," hosted by the NYU School of Law's Center on Law and Security in New York on March 21. And he doesn't shy away from the description.

http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/49813

msr
Alternet? The photo negative of FauxNews. Pity the article doesn't state that there were USMC investigations of Lagouranis' charges that proved a majority of them unsubstantiated.
 
#14
Sven said:
And there we have it, the difference between Yank intelligence gathering and British. We use sleep depravation etc, they torture prisoners
How exactly do we know any difference when its all conducted behind closed doors.

The only difference being that many Americans love to brag and in doing so embelish the truth so much of what they say should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I doun't believe the Brits fanny about when it comes to extracting information and nor should we
 
#15
Virgil said:
msr said:
Tony Lagouranis is a 37-year-old bouncer at a bar in Chicago's Humboldt Park. He is also a former torturer. That was how he was described in an email promoting a panel discussion, "24: Torture Televised," hosted by the NYU School of Law's Center on Law and Security in New York on March 21. And he doesn't shy away from the description.

http://www.alternet.org/asoldierspeaks/49813

msr
Alternet? The photo negative of FauxNews. Pity the article doesn't state that there were USMC investigations of Lagouranis' charges that proved a majority of them unsubstantiated.
Indeed
 
#16
While I will firmly agree that the gathering of intel is very much a needs must situation, I find it a paradox that the UK's main critic for using sensory deprivation as a softening technique in NI was the US. Particularly as allegedly far more robust methods were being taught to interrogators from friendly South American Countries by the CIA.
 
#17
dingerr said:
Sven said:
And there we have it, the difference between Yank intelligence gathering and British. We use sleep depravation etc, they torture prisoners
Horsesh*t. While I won't defend the few well-publicized incidents that occurred, the prisons I visited to extract intel weren't subjecting prisoners to torture and in fact had strict guidelines laid out. But go ahead and generalize from media coverage anyway.

The only difference being that many Americans love to brag and in doing so embelish the truth so much of what they say should be taken with a pinch of salt.
No Scots-Irish/Ulster-Scots in the British Army? (The preferred ethnic background of the stereotypical American Redneck)
 
#18
Good post virgil. My BN had our own detainee holding area. We caught alot of bad guys, and not ONE of them was ever treated with disrespect. They had their showers, a bed, food to eat, all the water they wanted, medical treatment, use of latrines, etc. They were doing better than our poor over here, all the while trying to murder people. Now everyone see's detainee facilities as torture houses.

But on another note, let's not deny that our "secret" agencies use some form of torture. ( I use that word loosely too). Whether it's sensory deprivation or a little bone breaking.
 

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