We must fight them in the Mills and in the mosques

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  1. Spotted this little gem in todays DT from Winston S Churchill esq.


    Letters

    Islamist danger

    Sir – Britain sends some of the finest and most courageous of their generation to risk their lives and spill their blood chasing the Taliban out of Afghanistan. But who, meanwhile, is guarding our homeland?

    A recent police report makes clear that, back here in Britain the Deobandi – the very same Islamist sect responsible for spawning the Taliban in Afghanistan – has succeeded in taking over more than 600 of Britain's 1,350 mosques. In addition, it controls 17 of Britain's 26 Islamic seminaries and produces 80 per cent of Britain's home-trained Islamic clerics.

    It's a funny old world, as Margaret Thatcher once famously remarked. Except that this is no laughing matter. Not for 70 years has there been a more clear or present danger to our internal security, to our free society and to our democracy, than that posed by this vipers' nest in our midst. The Deobandi, an ultra- conservative sect, outlaws music, art, television and football, and also demands the entire concealment of women.

    According to the Lancashire Council of Mosques, the Deobandi has now taken control of 59 out of 75 mosques in the old Lancashire mill towns of Oldham, Preston, Bury, Blackburn and Burnley. While not all Deobandis are extremist, leading preachers of this sect aim to radicalise the Islamic youth of Britain, and to mobilise them against our society and the freedoms we hold so dear.

    When will the Government wake up to this mortal threat which – if not swiftly dealt with – threatens to bring strife and bloodshed to the streets of Britain on a scale far exceeding anything seen in the bombings of recent years?

    Why are Gordon Brown and David Cameron, indeed our entire political class, so deafeningly silent on this, the most pressing matter confronting Britain today? Who will help the moderate majority of Muslims maintain control of their mosques? Who will safeguard the homeland?

    Winston S. Churchill, London SW1



    His related namesake certainly had the gift of vision and stood by his principles to the hilt but I feel that this 'call to arms' will be stamped all over by pc correctists, appologists and appeasists rather than open up a clear and honest debate about this threat. The taliban do stem from this 'sect' of Islam and as he points out, we are fighting a real and bloody war against them in Afghanistan and we are desperately seeking to up the public support for this war at home. Why do we allow the sect to get on with spreading their brand of extremism at home?

    It is easy to read this as a rant againt Islam - its not (see how easy it is to be an apologist?) but unless this real threat is seen for what it is, then I feel our country may indeed become a battle ground against Islam as a whole. I agree with Churchill jr here and beleive that this specific threat needs to be addressed and dealt with asap

    Churchill Snr was quoted as saying " Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak" Does this government (or any future government) have such courage?
     
  2. Why doesn't he speak up in the House of Parliament or House of Lords,or go on the TV or Radio and voice his opinions openly to the masses,or is he scared the PC brigade will have a go at him?
     
  3. A letter coming from an article in which the reporter supposedly 'saw' a police report. It didn't give the reports authors or who initiated the research. It certainly didn't quuote the article at any point and didn't even report as to whether the reporter had asked the police about the veracity of the supposed report.

    All in all, junk reporting.
     
  4. Funny how Sven's research faculties apparently fail when two minutes on Google throws up something he doesn't like.

    The source of the report is about as reputable as you can get.

    http://www.muslimsinbritain.org/index.html
     
  5. I knew quite a few Deobandis, some are United fans and some support Liverpool...that Times article was nothing but an outrageous slur.

    As for Winston S. Churchill, this tool also supported the war in Iraq, I saw him on Fox news at the time saying its what his granddad would have done.

    Bet the only reason he's achieved anything is because of his name.
     
  6. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    sven shooting from the hip but claiming to be the font of all knowledge when really he hasn't a clue, never, not here. :roll:

    I know he blags all the time, I had a discussion with him about the rules of flying a while ago and he didn't have a clue but swore blind black was white. He's not even a pilot but claimed to know all about it. That proved to me that just about anything that comes from him is almost definitely rubbish.

    But to be blown out of the water by The Muslim Council is just sublime. :D
     
  7. If this is bad reporting based upon a badly sourced or poorly researched police report and the Deobandis in UKare honest reliable people with no taliban connections - should Winston Churchill be investigated and charged with inciting racial hatred?
     
  8. They vote, there are about two million of them, the main parties are interested only in chasing their vote and pandering to them not in dealing forcefully with them. The Islamic vote alone can, and increasingly will, swing elections.
    We need a new party that will put the indiginous British first and if that sounds racist so be it.
    We are constantly told it was wrong for us to be in their countries, in which case it must be wrong for them to be in ours.
     
  9. What does that have to do with anything?

    Is that the new 'Cricket Test'?
     
  10. So is he incorrect then? Dispatches on C4 last night was pretty grim too, blokes threatening to do a 'twin towers' on a church that had the temerity to allow ex Muslim converts through it's doors. That kind of intolerence doesn't exactly breed peace and love Tazzy does it.
     
  11. What marks out who is an indigenous Briton and who isn't?

    More to the point, who are 'they'? Many here will tell you that Muslims are not a race, so in theory they may have the odd indigenous Briton in their midst too. Where do they go?

    Just curious, like.
     
  12. How much would you like to "bet"?

    Or are you just out to try and slur the title of this thread??
     
  13. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    But thats just sticking your head in the sand to avoid the problem. :?
     
  14. If this were our Country then yes it would be but under Islam, they own everything so either convert or pack your bags and get out of Allahs green and pleasant land you infidel dog
     
  15. I heard on 5 Live last week an interview with a Canadian Lady, who was also a muslim, calling on all "moderates" within the religion to openly debate Islam. Apparantly (according to her) the "moderate" muslim community in Canada was vocal in its opposition to fundamentalism and by engaging in debate with their peers, reduced the mistrust that exists between religious groups.

    Why are the "moderate" muslim leaders in this country so quiet?
     
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